Dev Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: So why did only 4 junior clubs oppose pyramid entry at the 2018 AGM? Suspect it's more about apathy than outright opposition and that there probably would have been a west coast version of Kelty followed by a mass exodus by now if there was a viable alternative similar to the EoS league available. Telling clubs to join the SoS introduces a much larger obstacle for them to get their membership to agree to leave than joining the EoS did. Not if there were north and south conferences. The travel wouldn't change, there would be the path to the Lowland League (and higher) plus SFA Cup entry and an annual fee from the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pennel Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 And you'll be the one telling Kello Rovers, will you ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Black Pennel said: And you'll be the one telling Kello Rovers, will you ? I didn't now that they had plans to go for membership. If they did they could go north or south conference but they needn't be moved away from the clubs which they play against now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven and roger Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Talbot should go into the pyramid, yes it might be more and further travelling but they've done everything in the junior leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 24/06/2019 at 17:45, gaz5 said: They're not officially in the process till the SFA accept the applications and take the £2k fee. The visit from the licencing dept was pre emptive. Non of the 3 applicants, juniors or otherwise, are "in the process" yet as far as I'm aware. If Petershill and/or Cumnock are then we are in the odd scenario where the SFA would be progressing clubs outside of the pyramid before those inside it. That would be interesting ground. On the subject of the EoS "blocking" WRSJFA pyramid access, that is a falsehood in its entirety. It was made clear by the EoS and LL that they had no issue with the West, that if the SJFA paused the east for a year to allow further time to discuss the issue no one would object to the West joining for season 19/20. That offer was declined by the SJFA. The only blocker to Talbot (or any other West team) being in the Pyramid next year was TJ and the SJFA. Obviously there will be people who will believe otherwise, but I was in the room, along with many others on here, so know the reality. I know it happened because I was one of 3 delegates on the night who made representation to RP and IM in front of the room that the West Juniors SHOULD enter for next season. On all three occasions this was raised the room was asked for objections to West entry. On all 3 occasions, no objections were raised, there was unanimous support from EoS clubs to allow the West in next year following the JPP. This hasn't happened despite the EoS lobbying FOR it, not against it. So, who stopped it? This post by Gaz5 is factually correct. It will be an important year for the PWG, given the pyramid 'terms of reference' it has been given by the SFA. The PWG's deliberations are not confined to the Juniors in the West and East regions only, as the PWG has met with the North Caledonian League representatives, who have confirmed that its clubs want to enter the pyramid at tier 6. However the NRJFA, not wishing to do so, has complicated the pyramid debate in the north, and the desire to have a nationwide non-league structure. Licensing is a different issue. Time will tell whether the "commitment to the pyramid" principle will be applied/retained in the future. In my view, this principle will be retained until the PWG has concluded its 'review', and will have reported back to the SFA Board or SFA AGM, next year. The boundary is unlikely to change. Somehow, I can't see Brechin City (if relegated from the SPFL in 2019/20), joining the Lowland League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 14 hours ago, raven and roger said: Talbot should go into the pyramid, yes it might be more and further travelling but they've done everything in the junior leagues. They will by season 2020-21 if the PWG meetings reach a successful conclusion this season and find a way to address the concerns of the EoS and LL over what happens in the east. The SJFA's discipline procedures have been modified for this season to fit the standard pyramid way of doing things as a trial run for what happens after they enter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 26/06/2019 at 22:22, Ginaro said: Assuming Clydebank aren't far from being licensed, along with Auchinleck (lights), Cumnock, Petershill etc. - if the status quo remains with the SJFA still outside the pyramid, surely that will increase the pressure on either a WoS being created or WRJFA going it alone, if joining the pyramid is all that's between those teams and a licence? Whilst on the subject of junior club licensing, are there any posters on here who know if existing SFA Member club Girvan, are taking steps to install floodlights ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Robert James said: Whilst on the subject of junior club licensing, are there any posters on here who know if existing SFA Member club Girvan, are taking steps to install floodlights ? Don't know - they will have been assessed against the 2019 criteria and presumably given a year to sort it like Whitehill as the licensing document says their last licensing committee review was in June, but there's no planning application yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac25 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Whilst on the subject of junior club licensing, are there any posters on here who know if existing SFA Member club Girvan, are taking steps to install floodlights ? There's a guy responding to stuff on the Girvan thread, maybe ask there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) On 27/06/2019 at 17:08, Dev said: Not if there were north and south conferences. The travel wouldn't change, there would be the path to the Lowland League (and higher) plus SFA Cup entry and an annual fee from the SFA. Any Tier 6 west feeder should include the top south of Scotland teams. I have never understood the travel argument. For example Auchinleck Threave would be 1hr 30 mins with any other potential trips bring around same. I reckon only 4-5 south of Scotland teams have ambitions to play higher up. Are people seriously saying that a football club cannot travel for an 1hr 30 mins 5 times a season? Below any trier 6 then it can further regional again. A league could be like this Auchinleck Hulford Pollock Beith Glenafton Irvine meadow Large thistle Clydebank Kilwinning Rangers Cumnock Bonnyton Thistle Nithsdale Wanderers Abbey vale Upper Annandale Threave Rovers Glasgow University 2-3 relegation places and things would even up quickly if needed. Edited July 13, 2019 by edinabear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, edinabear said: Any Tier 6 west feeder should include the top south of Scotland teams. I have never understood the travel argument. For example Auchinleck Threave would be 1hr 30 mins with any other potential trips bring around same. I reckon only 4-5 south of Scotland teams have ambitions to play higher up. Are people seriously saying that a football club cannot travel for an 1hr 30 mins 5 times a season? Below any trier 6 then it can further regional again. A league could be like this Auchinleck Hulford Pollock Beith Glenafton Irvine meadow Large thistle Clydebank Kilwinning Rangers Cumnock Bonnyton Thistle Nithsdale Wanderers Abbey vale Upper Annandale Threave Rovers Glasgow University 2-3 relegation places and things would even up quickly if needed. The standard is pretty poor one of the annandale teams got thrashed by a Junior team last week. We beat bonnyton 4-0 in a competetive tie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: The standard is pretty poor one of the annandale teams got thrashed by a Junior team last week. We beat bonnyton 4-0 in a competetive tie Perhaps you're right but it's probably the only fair way to deal with the South of Scotland being at a level higher than it probably should be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, edinabear said: Perhaps you're right but it's probably the only fair way to deal with the South of Scotland being at a level higher than it probably should be 1 hour ago, edinabear said: Perhaps you're right but it's probably the only fair way to deal with the South of Scotland being at a level higher than it probably should be Does it matter if the South of Scotland League is at Tier 6 ? Only 4 of the 16 SoS clubs are licensed, and one of those doesn't have floodlights (Wigtown). It is a long established senior league, and if one of the licensed clubs became champions, it is very unlikely that they would win a 'round robin' play-off against the EoSL or WRJFA champions. If they were the only licensed league champions (very unlikely), then should they be denied promotion ? It is possible that Gretna or Dalbeattie Star could be relegated from the Lowland. If so, they would probably wish to (re)join the SoSL, and challenge for promotion. Dropping 2 tiers in one yea, would be unfair IMO. Also, SoSL clubs are in a relatively remote area, at a time when travel costs can be very expensive., especially as Kello Rovers are the only junior club in their area. The same would apply to clubs in the North Caledonian League, which are even more geographically remote. This is relevant if the HFL and PWG accepts the NCL's interest in becoming a pyramid feeder league for the highlands and islands, as a separate feeder league,from the NRJFA juniors (should the latter ever join the pyramid). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 26/06/2019 at 22:22, Ginaro said: Assuming Clydebank aren't far from being licensed, along with Auchinleck (lights), Cumnock, Petershill etc. - if the status quo remains with the SJFA still outside the pyramid, surely that will increase the pressure on either a WoS being created or WRJFA going it alone, if joining the pyramid is all that's between those teams and a licence? Any updates on the progress of the licensing applications from Cumnock and Petershill ? Also, will Girvan lose their licence if they don't install floodlights before their annual review ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Any updates on the progress of the licensing applications from Cumnock and Petershill ? Also, will Girvan lose their licence if they don't install floodlights before their annual review ?Clubs who are progressed will organise the audit visit with the licensing team and things will progress from there. That can be any time before the next sfa board meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 On 23/07/2019 at 21:01, G4Mac said: On 23/07/2019 at 20:13, Robert James said: Any updates on the progress of the licensing applications from Cumnock and Petershill ? Also, will Girvan lose their licence if they don't install floodlights before their annual review ? Clubs who are progressed will organise the audit visit with the licensing team and things will progress from there. That can be any time before the next sfa board meeting. Thank you for replying. However responses on P&B from (west) junior club supporters/posters in particular, always seems to be difficult to obtain. By comparison, information about the former junior clubs, now in the EoSL, seems to be much more open in relation to points of interest for P&B followers. My question about SFA member club Girvan's licensing situation, regarding their lack of floodlights, is an example of this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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