Club Licence

[Spyro]

1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said:

26 minutes ago, Blackie Gold said:

Is it not the case that having a license even though your Junior would have gotten you into the Scottish Cup without winning your league or cup?

Aye thats why Banks O'Dee still qualify automatically & Lithgae did as well. Girvan as well by virtue of being ex-SOS. Of course those clubs got licensed before the commitment to pyramid clause got added a few years ago.

Linlithgow’s license has something regarding the pyramid, but only mentions the LL, not the EoS. Someone more informed will know the detail, but could be a golden ticket if Berwick win their playoff game 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The North remembers! but everyone forgets about them

Didn't forget, they don't want to be in the pyramid and as such won't have access to the pyramid or club licence. 

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

Didn't forget, they don't want to be in the pyramid and as such won't have access to the pyramid or club licence. 

North Super League winner still gets Scottish Cup entry like the other Regions top leagues.

[pumphy_man]

On 08/05/2019 at 23:33, Robert James said:

So far the award of six licences has been confirmed, all of which have been awarded to clubs which already have floodlights.   These clubs become SFA Members, and are therefore eligible to enter the Scottish Cup in 2019/20 and beyond.  This means that there will be more matches (and less byes) in the First Preliminary Round next season.

It doesn't appear that any of the other licence applicants, have been successful, nor have they been granted a floodlights derogation  by the SFA.  It has been rumoured that up to 17 clubs had applied for licences during the last 12 months. Some unsuccessful clubs may have lodged an appeal (?)

That makes a total of seven  new faces in the Scottish cup next season  with Camelon being the other after winning the Alex Jack Cup. And i think Bonnyrigg will be there too but theyre not new to the big cup.

[GNU_Linux]

That makes a total of seven  new faces in the Scottish cup next season  with Camelon being the other after winning the Alex Jack Cup. And i think Bonnyrigg will be there too but theyre not new to the big cup.

Being pedantic but Camelon won the South & East Cup Winners Shield to qualify. This is played between the winners of EOS Alex Jack Cup & SOS Alba Shield.

[Dev]

 

Most of us have our heads buried in what goes on (or doesn't go on) in Scotland but if you look at other nations things seem to be light years ahead in terms of consultation with clubs, standards of facilities required for each level, financial assistance, and open-ness about what is required and the timescales available to get things in place. Ground sharing to reach a certain level is OK too. 

Take the current re-structuring in Wales. The selection of clubs for their Tier 2 is underway and this is the latest taken from the FAW web site:

“8 May 2019

FAW Tier 2 First Instance Body Decision - 43 Clubs Successful

The FAW Tier 2 First Instance Body met today (8 May 2019) in Cardiff to consider the Tier 2 Certification Applications for the 2019/20 season.

The Panel assessed 47 applicants for the Tier 2 Certification and clubs were assessed against a number of infrastructure and personnel criteria. 

FAW Tier 2 Certification is a mandatory requirement for clubs to participate at Tier 2 of the Welsh Football Pyramid for the 2019/20 season.

Following today’s meeting, the independent First Instance Body decided on the following:

 

FAW TIER 2 CERTIFIED CLUBS 2019/20

 

Huws Gray Alliance League (16):

• Airbus UK Broughton – promoted to JD Welsh Premier League
• Bangor City
• Buckley Town
• Conwy Borough
• Denbigh Town
• Flint Town United
• Gresford Athletic
• Guilsfield
• Holyhead Hotspur
• Holywell Town
• Llanrhaeader – certified at Llansantffraid FC
• Penrhyncoch
• Porthmadog
• Prestatyn Town
• Rhyl
• Ruthin Town

 

Welsh Football League – Division 1 (14):

• Afan Lido
• Ammanford Town
• Briton Ferry
• Cambrian & Clydach
• Cwmamman United
• Cwmbran Celtic
• Goytre United
• Haverfordwest County
• Llantwit Major
• Penybont – promoted to JD Welsh Premier League
• Pontypridd Town – certified at Aberdare Town FC
• Taffs Well
• Ton Pentre
• Undy Athletic

 

Welsh Alliance League (1):

• Llangefni Town

 

Welsh National League (2):

• Brickfield Rangers
• Corwen

 

Mid Wales League (3):

• Berriew
• Caersws
• Llanfair United

 

Welsh Football League – Division 2 (4):

• Caldicot Town
• Caerau Ely
• Pontardawe Town
• Swansea University

 

In addition, Colwyn Bay, Llandudno and Llanelli Townall meet the FAW Tier 2 Certification Criteria which takes the total number of successful clubs to 43.

Of the remaining applications, the following clubs were not granted Tier 2 Certification for the 2019 / 20 season:

 

Welsh Football League – Division 1 (2):

• Goytre FC
• Port Talbot Town

Welsh Football League – Division 2 (4):

• Abergavenny Town
• Croesyceiliog
• Risca United
• STM Sports

Welsh National League (1):

• Brymbo

 

All clubs have the right of appeal, in accordance with FAW Rule 43.2.3.”

 

They are creating a new Tier 2 and will turn to Tier 3 in twelve months time. However, the clubs have known the requirements for Tiers 1, 2 and 3 for years. This isn't rocket science.

[Duraglit shareholder]

Can junior teams trust the SFA sincerity on developing a fair and inclusive pyramid.The treatment of Bonnyrigg is terrible, they have won  the right on footballing merit to try for the Lowland League isn't that what they were promised by moving grades.In the interest of sporting integrity, instead of the SFA flatly refusing Bonnyrigg a licence, surely they should be helping clubs to bring their ground up to the level needed.If the club are financially stable give them an interest free loan to get the floodlights in place for next season.Its my own opinion that the SFA are now shiting themselves, that on football ability alone some of the big junior and ex east juniors are capable of reaching SF L2 in no time at all, so are changing criteria for licence at will, probably from pressure by established teams in the lower proffesional leagues that dont fancy relegation to Lowland League and the loss of SFA money distributed to the top 4 tiers.Its always about money.

[Robert James]

1 hour ago, Duraglit shareholder said:

Can junior teams trust the SFA sincerity on developing a fair and inclusive pyramid.The treatment of Bonnyrigg is terrible, they have won  the right on footballing merit to try for the Lowland League isn't that what they were promised by moving grades.In the interest of sporting integrity, instead of the SFA flatly refusing Bonnyrigg a licence, surely they should be helping clubs to bring their ground up to the level needed.If the club are financially stable give them an interest free loan to get the floodlights in place for next season.Its my own opinion that the SFA are now shiting themselves, that on football ability alone some of the big junior and ex east juniors are capable of reaching SF L2 in no time at all, so are changing criteria for licence at will, probably from pressure by established teams in the lower proffesional leagues that dont fancy relegation to Lowland League and the loss of SFA money distributed to the top 4 tiers.Its always about money.

I agree with your views. You may find it interesting to look at my post this morning, on the EoS Pyramid  forum. I would be interested to hear your views.

[Robert James]

1 hour ago, gogsy said:

Do you want the SFA to lean on the local council to get planning permission for the floodlights to be passed, maybe a wee sweetener for the local councillors as well.

Its also a crying shame that two junior clubs have been denied their license to the incompetence of the SJFA  leadership, if the West juniors had come on board for at tier six -nine for 2019/20 season then Cumnock and Petershill probably would have their SFA licence by now.

Quite so, but the West Junior clubs need to tell the SJFA what they want, rather than merely  following the line advocated by TJ and co.  Another year lost.

[gaz5]

If the West juniors had come on board for at tier six -nine for 2019/20 season then Cumnock and Petershill probably would have their SFA licence by now.

Unfortunately Gogsy, that seems not to be the case. There is a team in the Pyramid being treated the same way as Cumnock and Petershill in terms of their application not being approved and passed to licencing.

As far as I know, Cumnock and Petershill haven't been officially told no? They've just not been told anything since their application?

[Marshmallo]

2 hours ago, Duraglit shareholder said:

Can junior teams trust the SFA sincerity on developing a fair and inclusive pyramid.The treatment of Bonnyrigg is terrible, they have won  the right on footballing merit to try for the Lowland League isn't that what they were promised by moving grades.In the interest of sporting integrity, instead of the SFA flatly refusing Bonnyrigg a licence, surely they should be helping clubs to bring their ground up to the level needed.If the club are financially stable give them an interest free loan to get the floodlights in place for next season.Its my own opinion that the SFA are now shiting themselves, that on football ability alone some of the big junior and ex east juniors are capable of reaching SF L2 in no time at all, so are changing criteria for licence at will, probably from pressure by established teams in the lower proffesional leagues that dont fancy relegation to Lowland League and the loss of SFA money distributed to the top 4 tiers.Its always about money.

Why would the SFA be worried about clubs being promoted into League Two?

[marconi]

in answer to earlier post  the west region clubs  [or 90% of them] have said they will only enter the almighty pyramid if they have to and are happy as they are

[Marshmallo]

1 minute ago, marconi said:

in answer to earlier post  the west region clubs  [or 90% of them] have said they will only enter the almighty pyramid if they have to and are happy as they are

Got the metrics to support this number?

[GNU_Linux]

Got the metrics to support this number?

Probably refering to the survey done a while ago canvasing clubs with options of joining pyramid as part of sjfa or joining independant of sjfa. Both were yes/no choices

[santheman]

3 hours ago, Robert James said:

Quite so, but the West Junior clubs need to tell the SJFA what they want, rather than merely  following the line advocated by TJ and co.  Another year lost.

I don't know how many times this has to be said Bob but the clubs are the ones telling TJ what they want not the other way around. It's not really hard to grasp.

[Robert James]

2 minutes ago, santheman said:

I don't know how many times this has to be said Bob but the clubs are the ones telling TJ what they want not the other way around. It's not really hard to grasp.

Thanks for clarifying that - your views are consistent with Marconi's post and his comment about "the 90% of clubs (above)."

Uncle Bob has "grasped it" !

 

 

[Robert James]

On 11/05/2019 at 13:55, marconi said:

in answer to earlier post  the west region clubs  [or 90% of them] have said they will only enter the almighty pyramid if they have to and are happy as they are

Whilst on the subject of "the almighty pyramid", will juniors Girvan FC lose their SFA Licence under the new floodlights rule approved by the SFA ? Or can/will they install lights within the designated timescale ?

[Marten]

4 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Whilst on the subject of "the almighty pyramid", will juniors Girvan FC lose their SFA Licence under the new floodlights rule approved by the SFA ? Or can/will they install lights within the designated timescale ?

They have a year to sort lights out, otherwise they'll lose their license.

[peasy23]

Unfortunately Gogsy, that seems not to be the case. There is a team in the Pyramid being treated the same way as Cumnock and Petershill in terms of their application not being approved and passed to licencing.

As far as I know, Cumnock and Petershill haven't been officially told no? They've just not been told anything since their application?

Yep, we simply weren't told anything. We have now entered the process and had a pre audit ground inspection a few weeks ago.

[Burnie_man]

Yep, we simply weren't told anything. We have now entered the process and had a pre audit ground inspection a few weeks ago.

Have you had your application and £2k payment accepted?