Club Licence

[Blackie Gold]

Cumnock should join the SOSL they might beat somebody.

[Kilbowie Benches]

1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

So it's NOT clubs listening to everyting going on, assessing it all and how it relates to their club and deciding it is in their best interests to apply.

It's clubs explicitly told to apply regardless if they want to or not.

No they’re probably being told they’d be daft if they didn’t apply.

[superbigal]

Cumnock should join the SOSL they might beat somebody.

Joking aside if they did go it alone and had a license it is a very quick potential route to the LL.
They could win the SOS and not even have to play against an Eos champ if they were not licensed.

[Talbot 1978]

Joking aside if they did go it alone and had a license it is a very quick potential route to the LL.
They could win the SOS and not even have to play against an Eos champ if they were not licensed.

They will move with the rest of the west. Economically it makes sense for all

[Billy XBoswell]

12 hours ago, superbigal said:

Joking aside if they did go it alone and had a license it is a very quick potential route to the LL.
They could win the SOS and not even have to play against an Eos champ if they were not licensed.

If this was the situation they would have to overcome Killies other Senior Team first ..... Bonnyton Thistle 

Good luck to them though 

Edited March 2, 2019 by Billy XBoswell

[Killiepiyo]

Is it even real?  Club couldn't have distanced themselves more in the media from their Facebook. A fan site with nothing to do with the club. 

[Robert James]

On 01/03/2019 at 17:48, LongTimeLurker said:

All that was involved previously was a commitment to the principle of progression. If the SJFA are actively negotiating their entry that's already done and dusted for junior clubs. Read the minutes of the PWG meetings that have been posted on here. The SFA CEO is very much on the SJFA's side on that being brought to a rapid conclusion.

Surely "progression" isn't an issue for the SJFA, nor for its ambitious clubs, now that two junior clubs have submitted licence applications. What does "the principle of progression" actually mean ? As in life generally "principles" and "rules" are different things.

The real problem , and potential sticking point for the WRJFA/SJFA is whether they would be REQUIRED to accept existing West senior clubs into its top division, if/when they are subsequently relegated from the Lowland League. For example, would BSG Glasgow, Cumberland Colts, or East Kilbride automatically be accepted at West tier 6  if relegated from the SLL ? Similarly, would Edusport Academy  be accepted into the west pyramid, if during the next couple of years, they moved to a ground in Greater Glasgow ?  What about (say) current SPFL club  Albion Rovers, if they dropped from tier 4 to tier 6 in successive seasons ? 

Or would these clubs be refused entry into the West pyramid at tier 6, because they were not / are not members of the SJFA ?

All of the West  junior clubs need to be advised what the pyramid promotion & relegation rules are going to be, before they join the pyramid, and existing senior clubs at tier 5 and in the SPFL, fully understand how it could/will affect them .  Will the SJFA have any future ('status quo') powers in relation to promotion AND relegation,  between the West pyramid ,  and the Lowland League? Can the clubs refuse promotion (if licensed)?

I accept that these issues must have already been discussed, but has the  (promotion/relegation) framework, been agreed by the SFA, the SJFA, the WRSJA,  and the Lowland League ? If so, what are the draft (agreed ?) rules, and why are they not already in the public domain ?  All clubs and fans surely need to be advised.

Edited March 3, 2019 by Robert James
additional question added

[Burnie_man]

1 hour ago, Robert James said:

Surely "progression" isn't an issue for the SJFA, nor for its ambitious clubs, now that two junior clubs have submitted licence applications. What does "the principle of progression" actually mean ? As in life generally "principles" and "rules" are different things.

The real problem , and potential sticking point for the WRJFA/SJFA is whether they would be REQUIRED to accept existing West senior clubs into its top division, if/when they are subsequently relegated from the Lowland League. For example, would BSG Glasgow, Cumberland Colts, or East Kilbride automatically be accepted at West tier 6  if relegated from the SLL ? Similarly, would Edusport Academy  be accepted into the west pyramid, if during the next couple of years, they moved to a ground in Greater Glasgow ?  What about (say) current SPFL club  Albion Rovers, if they dropped from tier 4 to tier 6 in successive seasons ? 

Or would these clubs be refused entry into the West pyramid at tier 6, because they were not / are not members of the SJFA ?

All of the West  junior clubs need to be advised what the pyramid promotion & relegation rules are going to be, before they join the pyramid, and existing senior clubs at tier 5 and in the SPFL, fully understand how it could/will affect them .  Will the SJFA have any future ('status quo') powers in relation to promotion AND relegation,  between the West pyramid ,  and the Lowland League? Can the clubs refuse promotion (if licensed)?

I accept that these issues must have already been discussed, but has the  (promotion/relegation) framework, been agreed by the SFA, the SJFA, the WRSJA,  and the Lowland League ? If so, what are the draft (agreed ?) rules, and why are they not already in the public domain ?  All clubs and fans surely need to be advised.

Would BSC Glasgow or Cumbernauld Colts want to be relegated into an SJFA run league?  particularly one where discipline is different eg. players fined by SJFA, but not by SFA.

That's where LL2 comes in.

Promotion/relegation/play-offs have not been discussed by the PWG according to the minutes posted.

[Kilbowie Benches]

42 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Would BSC Glasgow or Cumbernauld Colts want to be relegated into an SJFA run league?  particularly one where discipline is different eg. players fined by SJFA, but not by SFA.

That's where LL2 comes in.

Promotion/relegation/play-offs have not been discussed by the PWG according to the minutes posted.

The LL chairman has been told to draft the rules according to the minutes.

Any club relegated from the LL from the West would drop into the WRJFA top division. 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Kilbowie Benches

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Thr LL chairman has been told to draft the rules according to the minutes.

Any club relegated from the LL from the West would drop into the WRJFA top division. 

No, the LL Chairman states that until he has a proposal he cant seek agreement from the other leagues to change the play-off format.  Maxwell then said he'd get a proposal to him. 

IM asked GF to confirm the position with the draft Play Off Rules. GF stated that he would have to get a formal proposal from the working group to proceed. He confirmed that the Play Off Rules need agreement from the East, South, SLFL and the Scottish FA.

IM agreed that he would produce a proposal, along with LD, to allow the SLFL to progress the Play Off Rules, as required by GF.

[Kilbowie Benches]

17 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

No, the LL Chairman states that until he has a proposal he cant seek agreement from the other leagues to change the play-off format.  Maxwell then said he'd get a proposal to him. 

IM asked GF to confirm the position with the draft Play Off Rules. GF stated that he would have to get a formal proposal from the working group to proceed. He confirmed that the Play Off Rules need agreement from the East, South, SLFL and the Scottish FA.

IM agreed that he would produce a proposal, along with LD, to allow the SLFL to progress the Play Off Rules, as required by GF.

Since we`re into quoting lines from the minutes--

IM stated that he felt that there was nothing that could be considered a “show-stopper” and felt the process could be fairly straightforward. He stated that if there was a vote – for the wrong reasons – to stall the process, the Scottish FA Board would consider such action

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Since we`re into quoting lines from the minutes--

IM stated that he felt that there was nothing that could be considered a “show-stopper” and felt the process could be fairly straightforward. He stated that if there was a vote – for the wrong reasons – to stall the process, the Scottish FA Board would consider such action

Not sure what that has to do with me clarifying what the current situation was with the play-offs.

The SFA cannot force leagues to change or ignore rules (otherwise we'd have Colts in the SPFL right now as part of SFA Project Brave).  I'm not even sure Maxwell knows what he is talking about here to be fair.

[Robert James]

3 hours ago, Robert James said:

I accept that these issues must have already been discussed, but has the  (promotion/relegation) framework, been agreed by the SFA, the SJFA, the WRSJA,  and the Lowland League ? If so, what are the draft (agreed ?) rules, and why are they not already in the public domain ?  All clubs and fans surely need to be advised.

With apologies to other posters, I repeat the above.

This matter seems to have been going backwards and forwards since last autumn, regarding  - play-offs, rules, boundaries, licences, pyramid regions/leagues : in/out/disputed/resolved ?????

"All clubs and fans surely need to be advised"  where they stand now. If there are matters which have been agreed, and other matters still to be resolved, these should be announced officially, together with clarification about  what happens next, and some idea about  further consultation/timescales envisaged.

Instead we are all left guessing. 

[Talbot 1978]

With apologies to other posters, I repeat the above. This matter seems to have been going backwards and forwards since last autumn, regarding  - play-offs, rules, boundaries, licences, pyramid regions/leagues : in/out/disputed/resolved ?????

"All clubs and fans surely need to be advised"  where they stand now. If there are matters which have been agreed, and other matters still to be resolved, these should be announced officially, together with clarification about  what happens next, and some idea about  further consultation/timescales envisaged.

Instead we are all left guessing. 

 

The future decisions are being made by the club's. However personal egos on these threads within the forum appear to somewhat distort what's happening. Trust me things will be clearer very soon.

 

Just don't get bogged down reading the comments of certain town criers

 

 

 

[locheeboy]

58 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said:

The future decisions are being made by the club's. However personal egos on these threads within the forum appear to somewhat distort what's happening. Trust me things will be clearer very soon.

 

Just don't get bogged down reading the comments of certain town criers

 

 

 

Well said

[Burnie_man]

With apologies to other posters, I repeat the above.
This matter seems to have been going backwards and forwards since last autumn, regarding  - play-offs, rules, boundaries, licences, pyramid regions/leagues : in/out/disputed/resolved ?????
"All clubs and fans surely need to be advised"  where they stand now. If there are matters which have been agreed, and other matters still to be resolved, these should be announced officially, together with clarification about  what happens next, and some idea about  further consultation/timescales envisaged.
Instead we are all left guessing. 

You should have learned by now that there will be no announcements or clarity from the SFA until such times as there is an agreement in place.

Once there is, I'm sure certain parties will be shouting it from the rooftops.

Not great for clubs, but that is how the SFA operate.

[Jason King]

2 hours ago, Talbot 1978 said:

The future decisions are being made by the club's. However personal egos on these threads within the forum appear to somewhat distort what's happening. Trust me things will be clearer very soon.

Just don't get bogged down reading the comments of certain town criers

 

The Junior "grade" is dead in the West come July. Rejoice, REJOICE! Those who have been living in the past must embrace the future.

Edited March 4, 2019 by Jason King

[Talbot 1978]

[emoji38] 
The Junior "grade" is dead in the West come July. Rejoice, REJOICE! Those who have been living in the past must embrace the future.

You and bm rejoice. It won't change the status and you won't get a bonus payment when it off anything changes.

Move on bm let others have a say

[Jason King]

Others can have a say anytime they want - no one on here is stopping them, its the "remoaners" who have continually tried to do down the move to Senior football, now the West Region are moving wholesale to the Senior game in the summer they have vanished like snow from a dyke.

Funny that.

[Burnie_man]

6 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said:

You and bm rejoice. It won't change the status and you won't get a bonus payment when it off anything changes.

Move on bm let others have a say

An integrated senior Pyramid will certainly be worth rejoicing, Talbot getting licenced and winning promotion to the Lowland League would be great wouldn't you agree?  go on have your say.

Next PWG meeting on 11th March, I’m sure we’ll hear more after that date.