strichener Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Irrational Behaviour said: Either redevelop Pittodrie or build a new stadium at the old Richards Textiles site on Hutcheon Street. Too many of the buildings are listed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 5 hours ago, strichener said: Too many of the buildings are listed. And they are all still there? That's impressive, empty listed buildings in Glasgow seem to spontaneously combust 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start?? Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment? RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 12 hours ago, strichener said: Too many of the buildings are listed. Listed doesn’t mean they can never be demolished as far as I’m aware 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said: It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start?? Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment? RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. So Merkland is the obvious place to start then, based off that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 10menwent2mow said: It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start?? Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment? RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. The precise practicalities will vary from case to case but basically you do most of the construction work over the close season and have to play a few games in front of a reduced capacity either at the end of the previous season(like Hibs did) or the start of the next(like Hearts would have if we didn’t have murrayfield next door) Edited December 11, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Ray Patterson said: So Merkland is the obvious place to start then, based off that. Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium? How much is the land worth? How much do Aberdeen bring in via matchday income? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: How much is the land worth? How much do Aberdeen bring in via matchday income? Depends whether it's for a VAT return or a bank loan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium? As Aberdeen's only post Taylor Report structure there's surely no real hurry to replace the RDS? Indeed part of the case for staying where you are is that almost a third of the capacity is already in place and doesn't need built. If you're budgeting £60m for the whole job that's a £20m saving just there. Segregating a different configuration of the away support for a few games shouldn't be too big a logistical challenge especially compared with shuttling thousands of people by bus every other Saturday in perpetuity Hibs, after all, managed to host an Edinburgh Derby without an East Stand Edited December 12, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Hibs, after all, managed to host an Edinburgh Derby without an East Stand They managed it back in 2001 when they had knocked down their Main Stand too. The game where Mixu missed the last-minute penalty. It's certainly an doable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: They managed it back in 2001 when they had knocked down their Main Stand too. The game where Mixu missed the last-minute penalty. It's certainly an doable. Yep, its not necessary to do it all at once, indeed its probably incredibly difficult to schedule and finance unless you decant for an entire season (a lot simpler in Edinburgh with, say Murrayfield than in Aberdeen). Apart from the aesthetics, I dont remember being overly concerned that we had a couple of "new" bits and a crappy main stand and east terrace - as we knew it was just a timing and cash issue and then it would all come together. I just cant see the financial case for a new stadium making more sense than redoing 3/4 of Pittodrie over 2 summers or so, but maybe there is more background we dont know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: They managed it back in 2001 when they had knocked down their Main Stand too. The game where Mixu missed the last-minute penalty. It's certainly an doable. For that matter we didn't have the school end in 1994/95 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: For that matter we didn't have the school end in 1994/95 I'd forgotten about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 11:31, DA Baracus said: Which fictional new ground will be ready first, Dundee's or Aberdeen's? Answer here is that neither will happen. Aberdeen will talk about it gor a few more years, but ultimately redevelop Pittodrie. Dundee will do neither and Dens will crumble until some patch up jobs are done. On Pittodrie being unable to be redeveloped, while that may be true for the equivalent of a new build stadium on the same footprint, there is plenty of examples of fitting a stadium into restricted spaces. Brentford managed a completely new one in a smaller space and Bournmouth rotated theirs 90 degrees to make it work. Aberdeen could essentially rebuild stands of similar size (footprint) as the current ones, but increase the angle and put in hospitality. Granted the main is a bit more restricted, but you could incorporate the road into the new stand and it becomes a tunnel and the car park opposite, the entrance. Probably overall more expensive than a new build, but could be done Hibs style over an extended period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: I'd forgotten about that. Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the Stand was built There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the Stand was built There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence Aye, the folk jumping about in the walkway behind the goal. We should knock the stand down again and bring that walkway back. Great tv. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the Stand was built There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence Its embedded in this article. A very good goal, wonder if Pat Bonner thinks he should have saved it ! https://hibs.vitalfootball.co.uk/whatever-happened-to-willie-jamieson/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Aberdeen could, of course, take heart from Motherwell, who are proving that you don't need to bother ever finishing your stadium to do fine in the Premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 We can't re-build the main stand to the size it is, or bigger because of rules about blocking light for nearby houses, if i remember rightly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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