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It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start??

Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. 

South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment?

RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. 

It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. 

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21 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start??

Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. 

South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment?

RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. 

It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. 

So Merkland is the obvious place to start then, based off that.

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1 hour ago, 10menwent2mow said:

It's all very well people saying we stay at Pittodrie and go a stand at a time but where do you start??

Main stand is the smallest but generates significant hospitality revenues, has the boardroom, offices, dressing rooms, directors boxes and dugouts. 

South stand has around 40% of the ground capacity and also currently houses the away support, where do they go during a redevelopment?

RDS also generates significant hospitality revenue and is the newest part of the ground. 

It's not all about lack of space at Pittodrie but more about practicality. 

The precise practicalities will vary from case to case but basically you do most of the construction work over the close season and have to play a few games in front of a reduced capacity either at the end of the previous season(like Hibs did) or the start of the next(like Hearts would have if we didn’t have murrayfield next door)

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9 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

So Merkland is the obvious place to start then, based off that.

Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. 

Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium?

 

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7 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. 

Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium?

 

How much is the land worth? How much do Aberdeen bring in via matchday income? 

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8 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Agreed but you'd be looking at having to have significant hospitality in a revamped Merkland to cover for loss of revenue if you go Main Stand or RDS next, or have to have some sort of ability to segregate if you go South next while also losing 40% of capacity. 

Yeah, I'd love us to stay at Pittodrie but without the income from the sale of the land, coupled with loss of revenue while stands are closed, are we not looking at it being even more expensive than a brand new stadium?

 

As Aberdeen's only post Taylor Report structure there's surely no real hurry to replace the RDS? Indeed part of the case for staying where you are is that almost a third of the capacity is already in place and doesn't need built. If you're budgeting £60m for the whole job that's a £20m saving just there.

Segregating a different configuration of the away support for a few games shouldn't be too big a logistical challenge especially compared with shuttling thousands of people by  bus every other Saturday in perpetuity

Hibs, after all, managed to host an Edinburgh Derby without an East Stand
 

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3 hours ago, VincentGuerin said:

They managed it back in 2001 when they had knocked down their Main Stand too. The game where Mixu missed the last-minute penalty.

It's certainly an doable.

Yep, its not necessary to do it all at once, indeed its probably incredibly difficult to schedule and finance unless you decant for an entire season (a lot simpler in Edinburgh with, say Murrayfield than in Aberdeen).

Apart from the aesthetics, I dont remember being overly concerned that we had a couple of "new" bits and a crappy main stand and east terrace - as we knew it was just a timing and cash issue and then it would all come together.

I just cant see the financial case for a new stadium making more sense than redoing 3/4 of Pittodrie over 2 summers or so, but maybe there is more background we dont know?

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On 10/12/2022 at 11:31, DA Baracus said:

Which fictional new ground will be ready first, Dundee's or Aberdeen's?

Answer here is that neither will happen. Aberdeen will talk about it gor a few more years, but ultimately redevelop Pittodrie. Dundee will do neither and Dens will crumble until some patch up jobs are done.

On Pittodrie being unable to be redeveloped, while that may be true for the equivalent of a new build stadium on the same footprint, there is plenty of examples of fitting a stadium into restricted spaces. Brentford managed a completely new one in a smaller space and Bournmouth rotated theirs 90 degrees to make it work.

Aberdeen could essentially rebuild stands of similar size (footprint) as the current ones, but increase the angle and put in hospitality. Granted the main is a bit more restricted, but you could incorporate the road into the new stand and it becomes a tunnel and the car park opposite, the entrance. Probably overall more expensive than a new build, but could be done Hibs style over an extended period. 

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2 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

I'd forgotten about that.

Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the  Stand was built

There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence

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3 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the  Stand was built

There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence

Aye, the folk jumping about in the walkway behind the goal.

We should knock the stand down again and bring that walkway back. Great tv.

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1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

Willie Jamieson late equaliser against Celtic at that end was so spectacular it was on the title sequence for the highlights programme even after the  Stand was built

There were a load of grumpy jambos who'd left early trudging out on the other side of the fence

Its embedded in this article. A very good goal, wonder if Pat Bonner thinks he should have saved it !

https://hibs.vitalfootball.co.uk/whatever-happened-to-willie-jamieson/

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