DA Baracus Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Dunty said: That will likely be because there isn't a big team in Scotland that has moved stadium in the last 20 years. I didn't see where the criteria specified 'big teams', nor what that actually means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 With all due respect to both clubs I’m not convinced that Juventus and Aberdeen situations are sufficiently similar clubs to draw meaningful lessons from one to the other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: With all due respect to both clubs I’m not convinced that Juventus and Aberdeen situations are sufficiently similar clubs to draw meaningful lessons from one to the other Is that because Juventus dont call themselves "famous"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav nan Gael Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Crazy all this farting about with the council,who quite clearly can't be trusted while all the time planning permission is already in place for a 20,000 seater on the West Side of the city and by all accounts a cheaper build,albeit in a position geographically not as suitable to Don's fans. AFC now got to think what's the best bet in the long run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 What are the basic reasons a stadium at the beach is estimated to cost £80-90M while Kingsford is £50M? Is it entirely geographic with it being a more difficult location to build on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: What are the basic reasons a stadium at the beach is estimated to cost £80-90M while Kingsford is £50M? Is it entirely geographic with it being a more difficult location to build on? I was wondering this myself. Possibly to do with the cost of the land if the beach is a more lucrative space? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Dav nan Gael said: Crazy all this farting about with the council,who quite clearly can't be trusted while all the time planning permission is already in place for a 20,000 seater on the West Side of the city and by all accounts a cheaper build,albeit in a position geographically not as suitable to Don's fans. AFC now got to think what's the best bet in the long run. It's not really crazy. The club don't have the money to build the stadium. Planning permission isn't worth a whole lot if you don't have the money to build anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: What are the basic reasons a stadium at the beach is estimated to cost £80-90M while Kingsford is £50M? Is it entirely geographic with it being a more difficult location to build on? I think Dave has used the most recently published estimates for each to make a point to the council or for the benefit of the club’s negotiating position. I don’t think that the two figures are comparable in good faith. Kingsford was at £50m in 2019 and informally at £50-60m in late 2021. So probably more like £60-70m now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 15/12/2022 at 10:04, DA Baracus said: Not in Scotland they don't. They did in Perth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: They did in Perth. What about St Mirren, Falkirk, Cove, Hamilton, Clyde, Aidrie, Edinburgh, Stirling, East Fife and Dumbarton? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I used to have the old feasibility study from about 15/20 years ago (lost it serveral PCs ago). But I recall back then, there was a note that basically said, that building nearer the beach (certainly nearer than Kingswells that is), opened up a risk of requiring significantly more substantial foundations than building 'inland'. Whether that accounts for the differences in the numbers being bandied about, I don't know. I might over Xmas take the chance to look at the latest proposals. Cards on the table, I do have a worry that oor Dave's ambition and how realistic it is and how much risk he's willing to burden the club with. Yours, hemmin sit-doon! aDONis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunty Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: What are the basic reasons a stadium at the beach is estimated to cost £80-90M while Kingsford is £50M? Is it entirely geographic with it being a more difficult location to build on? The foundations are a big extra cost because it's a lot closer to the sea. It was quoted at £6m extra 10 years ago, so imagine it's probably doubled now. Also, the fact the council want the beach stadium to be a community stadium suggests loads of extra facilities being built into it. It says the stadium will cost £60m, extras (design fees, insurance etc) will bring it up to £74m, and "optimism bias" could make it as much as £92m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav nan Gael Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: It's not really crazy. The club don't have the money to build the stadium. Planning permission isn't worth a whole lot if you don't have the money to build anything. Yep no enough money,no stadium VG. Whatever way AFC go there will be a bit juggling to be done,the sale of Pittodrie,further negotiations with the council and possibly other investors before a decision is made on where they end up. With something this significant and with it being in Aberdeen,as all in the city and aberdeenshire know, it probably won't be resolved anytime soon......... Edited December 16, 2022 by Dav nan Gael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 13 hours ago, DA Baracus said: What about St Mirren, Falkirk, Cove, Hamilton, Clyde, Aidrie, Edinburgh, Stirling, East Fife and Dumbarton? St Mirren Final SPL season at Love Street: 4,537 Last Covid-unaffected season at St Mirren Park (in Premiership): 5,436 (Although they've bumbled around 4,500) Falkirk Last First Division season at Brockville: 2,631 Last covid-unaffected season at Grangemouth (also in 2nd tier): 4,742 Then you have Clyde which have dropped from over 2k average to 700 and moved again, Airdrie who died. FC Edinburgh wasn't a move though, just a rebuild. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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