Clown Job Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sortmeout said: What are your thoughts on Rangers fans refusing to stand up for themselves and allowing their club to die? Delighted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, very clever, but the point stands. Wildly celebrating goals and victories that happen repetitively and have an air of inevitability about them, is a contrived nonsense. I've never supported Celtic or Rangers but I have watched Hearts slum it in the championship which give one a vague idea of what it must be like. I remember while watching Hearts stroll the 2015 championship we were about 3-0 up against somebody with half an hour to go (I can't remember who, it might have been Queens) and everybody sat around me were basically ignoring the game in front of them and were trying to get an internet connection to see if Rangers might drop points. I realised that this must be the standard match day experience for a Celtic supporter. It was fun for a while but the mindset required to get yourself excited watching Rangers or Celtic beating Livingston and St Johnstone year after year seems bizarre. I'm not saying that dominating far smaller clubs almost every week didn't have it's charms but it's a bit like having desert for every course. It was a lovely place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there Edited August 8, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 53 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, very clever, but the point stands. Wildly celebrating goals and victories that happen repetitively and have an air of inevitability about them, is a contrived nonsense. I think you're underestimating the importance of winning to the average glory hunter. Most of us could watch our team drawing 0-0 after 85 minutes against a team we should beat and not think much more than "this is a bit shit". One of the cheeks doing that against a bottom six side? They'll be in turmoil about getting a slagging/not being able to lord it over diddies. Their whole worldview is evaporating, they question their place in the world, too emotionally stunted and thick to cope with the shame. The relief when their £10m striker out-jumps a centre half on loan from the conference to score must be immense as the world slots back into place. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: I am also very smart and think that football fans should do a cost-benefit analysis before deciding to celebrate their team scoring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I'm just here to admire Craig's smartness... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I've never supported Celtic or Rangers but I have watched Hearts slum it in the championship which give one a vague idea of what it must be like. I remember while watching Hearts stroll the 2015 championship we were about 3-0 up against somebody with half an hour to go (I can't remember who, it might have been Queens) and everybody sat around me were basically ignoring the game in front of them and were trying to get an internet connection to see if Rangers might drop points. I realised that this must be the standard match day experience for a Celtic supporter. It was fun for a while but the mindset required to get yourself excited watching Rangers or Celtic beating Livingston and St Johnstone year after year seems bizarre. I'm not saying that dominating far smaller clubs almost every week didn't have it's charms but it's a bit like having desert for every course. It was a lovely place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there Yes, we walked the third tier in 2013. It was bloody boring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, coprolite said: I think you're underestimating the importance of winning to the average glory hunter. Most of us could watch our team drawing 0-0 after 85 minutes against a team we should beat and not think much more than "this is a bit shit". One of the cheeks doing that against a bottom six side? They'll be in turmoil about getting a slagging/not being able to lord it over diddies. Their whole worldview is evaporating, they question their place in the world, too emotionally stunted and thick to cope with the shame. The relief when their £10m striker out-jumps a centre half on loan from the conference to score must be immense as the world slots back into place. I think you're largely right here. I think the mindset for many must be very different. Triumphalism is a huge part of the appeal and they therefore can't afford to entertain thoughts of how valid or impressive any such 'triumph' actually is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Oh you guys I don’t know what a prefer When you criticise our fans for celebrating too much, or when you criticise them for not celebrating enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I've never supported Celtic or Rangers but I have watched Hearts slum it in the championship which give one a vague idea of what it must be like. I remember while watching Hearts stroll the 2015 championship we were about 3-0 up against somebody with half an hour to go (I can't remember who, it might have been Queens) and everybody sat around me were basically ignoring the game in front of them and were trying to get an internet connection to see if Rangers might drop points. I realised that this must be the standard match day experience for a Celtic supporter. It was fun for a while but the mindset required to get yourself excited watching Rangers or Celtic beating Livingston and St Johnstone year after year seems bizarre. I'm not saying that dominating far smaller clubs almost every week didn't have it's charms but it's a bit like having desert for every course. It was a lovely place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there Sevco yes, Celtic not so much, you obv haven't been paying attention to Livi v Celtic games since we came back up, they've only beaten us once at the Spaghettihad, i imagine their fans were quite excited when they finally managed it last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Sortmeout said: What are your thoughts on Rangers fans refusing to stand up for themselves and allowing their club to die? You missed the protests? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 8 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Sevco yes, Celtic not so much, you obv haven't been paying attention to Livi v Celtic games since we came back up, they've only beaten us once at the Spaghettihad, i imagine their fans were quite excited when they finally managed it last season. I find it difficult enough remembering livi games against Hearts never mind paying attention to your other fixtures 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott321 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I find it difficult enough remembering livi games against Hearts never mind paying attention to your other fixtures You asked for it… 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I've never supported Celtic or Rangers but I have watched Hearts slum it in the championship which give one a vague idea of what it must be like. I remember while watching Hearts stroll the 2015 championship we were about 3-0 up against somebody with half an hour to go (I can't remember who, it might have been Queens) and everybody sat around me were basically ignoring the game in front of them and were trying to get an internet connection to see if Rangers might drop points. I realised that this must be the standard match day experience for a Celtic supporter. It was fun for a while but the mindset required to get yourself excited watching Rangers or Celtic beating Livingston and St Johnstone year after year seems bizarre. I'm not saying that dominating far smaller clubs almost every week didn't have it's charms but it's a bit like having desert for every course. It was a lovely place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there The debate has entirely shifted here. The original point was celebrating late equalisers/winners. Can you name an instance when a support shouldn't celebrate wildly in that instance? It's also interesting you mention the championship season as well. I seem to remember wild celebrations from Hearts fans at Easter Road scoring a last minute equaliser. You were 13 points clear, surely a polite applause was more appropriate? I also remember the last game of the season. Hearts having long clinched the title celebrated wildly after Zeefuik brought them from 2 down to draw 2-2 against us in the last minute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, Scott321 said: You asked for it… I'd forgotten about that Which is kind of my point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ross County doing a Livingston and handing over half the stadium to Old Firm fans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AJF said: The debate has entirely shifted here. The original point was celebrating late equalisers/winners. Can you name an instance when a support shouldn't celebrate wildly in that instance? It's also interesting you mention the championship season as well. I seem to remember wild celebrations from Hearts fans at Easter Road scoring a last minute equaliser. You were 13 points clear, surely a polite applause was more appropriate? I also remember the last game of the season. Hearts having long clinched the title celebrated wildly after Zeefuik brought them from 2 down to draw 2-2 against us in the last minute. Debates do shift and the point I was responding to was @Monkey Tennis suggesting a certain level of tinpottery in supporters of big rich clubs overreacting to run of the mill victories over smaller poorer clubs. The whole point of mentioning that Hearts Championship season was that it was indeed fun and I can see the appeal but it seems to me that a regular diet of it season after season would be like having dessert for every course. Which only produces diabetes Edited August 9, 2022 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Bobby Sands being "deed" and being "up to our knees in F****n blood" will be louder and clearer than ever to the TV viewers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbellaDEE Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Bobby Sands being "deed" and being "up to our knees in F****n blood" will be louder and clearer than ever to the TV viewers. They are world famous alright, just not for the reasons they think! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 15 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: I think you're largely right here. I think the mindset for many must be very different. Triumphalism is a huge part of the appeal and they therefore can't afford to entertain thoughts of how valid or impressive any such 'triumph' actually is. In the run up to us playing Sevco in the Championship all the "banter" from that lot wasn't about how much they would beat us by but just how insignificant Morton were to them. Yet, once we went 2-1 up at Ibrox, I have never seen a set of fans as furious as that in all ma days going to football matches. They were incandescent with rage that we were winning, and celebrating it, and they absolutely lost it. Between all the missiles and abuse there were folk trying to get past stewards to get over to the Morton fans in the wee corner of the stadium. Even when their (offside) equaliser went in there was no real joy from them. They were still raging we had the cheek to come to Ibrox and draw with them. Was fucking great. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 you obv haven't been paying attention to Livi v Celtic games since we came back up, they've only beaten us once at the SpaghettihadIt's impossible to avoid with fans of your tinpot mob constantly bringing it up at the slightest opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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