Sergeant Wilson Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Aye much more sensible to have half the ground empty and not taking advantage of a few hundred thousand quid from away fans. Course it would be great having our own fans filling it, but that isn't happening so needs must when the erse cheeks play us. Just half? Not got a problem with us selling 3 stands to them when we haven't the fans to fill them ourselves, but the West stand really should be just for home fans, and anyone else should be ejected, hopefully the club will get this sorted for future games. That money won't launder itself. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Aye much more sensible to have half the ground empty and not taking advantage of a few hundred thousand quid from away fans. Course it would be great having our own fans filling it, but that isn't happening so needs must when the erse cheeks play us. Just half? Not got a problem with us selling 3 stands to them when we haven't the fans to fill them ourselves, but the West stand really should be just for home fans, and anyone else should be ejected, hopefully the club will get this sorted for future games. Sad, sad little club 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 On 29/07/2022 at 11:50, craigkillie said: He called him a dangerous character and a bully or something like that. Which was factual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Aye much more sensible to have half the ground empty and not taking advantage of a few hundred thousand quid from away fans. Course it would be great having our own fans filling it, but that isn't happening so needs must when the erse cheeks play us. Just half? Not got a problem with us selling 3 stands to them when we haven't the fans to fill them ourselves, but the West stand really should be just for home fans, and anyone else should be ejected, hopefully the club will get this sorted for future games. Tin pot mentality sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 The same top 3 after 1 league game occupying the top 3 slots at the end of season would be pretty tinpot imvho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Sad, sad little club Glad we annoy you so much, esp when we beat you and finish above your diddy club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Glad we annoy you so much, esp when we beat you and finish above your diddy club. That’s not true, you were absolutely raging when you beat us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: Sad, sad little club The real sad truth is if you take the Old Firm out of Scottish football and adjust the average attendances for the remaining clubs. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that all the professional clubs in Scotland are poorly supported, per head of population, in comparison to say England. For example Aberdeen, struggling to get 15000 average attendance in a one team city of around 200,000. I guarantee you that if you were to look at teams down south in similar circumstances their average attendances would dwarf Aberdeens. I could be wrong, but the myth that Scotland is a nation of fanatical football supporters is just that, a myth. I believe it’s not been true since probably the 80’s. The Old Firm supporters are fanatical, the rest of Scottish football is poorly supported. Newcastle a city roughly the same size as Edinburgh. Newcastle average attendance, 51-52000. Hibs + Hearts average attendances, about 34-35000. That’s roughly a 15000 difference with the same population, slightly different circumstances. Burnley a town around of less than 100,000, average attendances about 10,000 more than Aberdeens. Anyway how’s the new stadium coming along. It’s always a delight to see the latest architectural drawings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: The real sad truth is if you take the Old Firm out of Scottish football and adjust the average attendances for the remaining clubs. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that all the professional clubs in Scotland are poorly supported, per head of population, in comparison to say England. For example Aberdeen, struggling to get 15000 average attendance in a one team city of around 200,000. I guarantee you that if you were to look at teams down south in similar circumstances their average attendances would dwarf Aberdeens. I could be wrong, but the myth that Scotland is a nation of fanatical football supporters is just that, a myth. I believe it’s not been true since probably the 80’s. The Old Firm supporters are fanatical, the rest of Scottish football is poorly supported. Newcastle a city roughly the same size as Edinburgh. Newcastle average attendance, 51-52000. Hibs + Hearts average attendances, about 34-35000. That’s roughly a 15000 difference with the same population, slightly different circumstances. Burnley a town around of less than 100,000, average attendances about 10,000 more than Aberdeens. Anyway how’s the new stadium coming along. It’s always a delight to see the latest architectural drawings. Newcastle is a one club city Celtic & RFC are part of Scottish football, removing them to suit your argument doesn’t do you any favours 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Newcastle is a one club city Celtic & RFC are part of Scottish football, removing them to suit your argument doesn’t do you any favours What an aptly named profile. Ok Newcastle a one team city, like Aberdeen. Newcastle population around 500,000 average attendance 52000 and would probably be more if they expanded the stadium. Aberdeen population 200,000 Average attendance around 14,000, nowhere near the same as a % of the population as Newcastle or Sunderland or Middlesbrough or a host of other English teams. My argument stands, take the Old Firm out of Scottish football and the rest will be shown to have poor attendances, be poorly supported in comparison to teams down in England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: The real sad truth is if you take the Old Firm out of Scottish football and adjust the average attendances for the remaining clubs. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that all the professional clubs in Scotland are poorly supported, per head of population, in comparison to say England. For example Aberdeen, struggling to get 15000 average attendance in a one team city of around 200,000. I guarantee you that if you were to look at teams down south in similar circumstances their average attendances would dwarf Aberdeens. I could be wrong, but the myth that Scotland is a nation of fanatical football supporters is just that, a myth. I believe it’s not been true since probably the 80’s. The Old Firm supporters are fanatical, the rest of Scottish football is poorly supported. Newcastle a city roughly the same size as Edinburgh. Newcastle average attendance, 51-52000. Hibs + Hearts average attendances, about 34-35000. That’s roughly a 15000 difference with the same population, slightly different circumstances. Burnley a town around of less than 100,000, average attendances about 10,000 more than Aberdeens. Anyway how’s the new stadium coming along. It’s always a delight to see the latest architectural drawings. There was an article going around 3-4 years back taking on precisely this point. Even with the OF removed, Scottish attendances per head are still very good compared to most of Europe. That's before you consider that, while the OF are outsized in terms of support in Scotland, we're not the only league with noticeably big clubs. p.s. Livi is a shite club. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: The real sad truth is if you take the Old Firm out of Scottish football and adjust the average attendances for the remaining clubs. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that all the professional clubs in Scotland are poorly supported, per head of population, in comparison to say England. For example Aberdeen, struggling to get 15000 average attendance in a one team city of around 200,000. I guarantee you that if you were to look at teams down south in similar circumstances their average attendances would dwarf Aberdeens. I could be wrong, but the myth that Scotland is a nation of fanatical football supporters is just that, a myth. I believe it’s not been true since probably the 80’s. The Old Firm supporters are fanatical, the rest of Scottish football is poorly supported. Newcastle a city roughly the same size as Edinburgh. Newcastle average attendance, 51-52000. Hibs + Hearts average attendances, about 34-35000. That’s roughly a 15000 difference with the same population, slightly different circumstances. Burnley a town around of less than 100,000, average attendances about 10,000 more than Aberdeens. Anyway how’s the new stadium coming along. It’s always a delight to see the latest architectural drawings. Imagine putting together this word salad talking down the game just to justify filling your stadium with mutants. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: There was an article going around 3-4 years back taking on precisely this point. Even with the OF removed, Scottish attendances per head are still very good compared to most of Europe. That's before you consider that, while the OF are outsized in terms of support in Scotland, we're not the only league with noticeably big clubs. p.s. Livi is a shite club. I wasn’t comparing Scottish teams with the rest of Europe, I was comparing Scotland teams with England. And in comparison our teams out-with the Old Firm are poorly supported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VincentGuerin Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: I wasn’t comparing Scottish teams with the rest of Europe, I was comparing Scotland teams with England. And in comparison our teams out-with the Old Firm are poorly supported. Yes. It really is a mystery why Scotland, with its population of 5 million has smaller football crowds than England, with the most glamorous football league in the world, featuring world-class players and managers from around the world, and a population of 56 million. I, for one, am stumped. And your population 'evidence' is deeply flawed. I live in England. Have done for years. Clubs like Burnley and Leicester and Derby etc do not draw their support only from their towns/cities. They draw in support from the small towns around them, not quoted in your population figures, but much more numerous and well-populated than their Scottish equivalents. I live in a sizeable midlands town with a lot of Leicester fans in it, for example. Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen etc can draw on no such towns in any meaningful way. Neither can the Dundee clubs. Scotland has a small population, and that's that. In short, you're talking pish on as issue you don't understand and haven't fully thought out, because you support a shite club that shouldn't even exist and are trying to justify its shitey existence. Edited July 31, 2022 by VincentGuerin 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: I wasn’t comparing Scottish teams with the rest of Europe, I was comparing Scotland teams with England. And in comparison our teams out-with the Old Firm are poorly supported. If you're going to start massaging figures then maybe account for the "football tourists" who just want to be seen to be at an EPL game (and I'd include a percentage of ST holders here as well. I don't believe there's anyone at a Motherwell Aberdeen game unless they actually are supporters; at, say, Arsenal v Man Utd???? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, VincentGuerin said: Yes. It really is a mystery why Scotland, with its population of 5 million has smaller football crowds than England, with the most glamorous football league in the world, featuring world-class players and managers from around the world, and a population of 56 million. I, for one, am stumped. And your population 'evidence' is deeply flawed. I live in England. Have done for years. Cubs like Burnley and Leicester and Derby etc do not draw their support only from their towns/cities. They draw in support from the small towns around them, not quoted in your population figures, but much more numerous and well-populated than their Scottish equivalents. I live in a sizeable midlands town with a lot of Leicester fans in it, for example. Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen etc can draw on no such towns. In short, you're talking pish on as issue you don't understand and haven't fully thought out, because you support a shite club that shouldn't even exist and are trying to justify its shitey existence. Lol, so towns outside Edinburgh don’t support Hibs or Hearts? Towns outside Aberdeen don’t support Aberdeen. There is someone talking piss here, but it’s not me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: Lol, so towns outside Edinburgh don’t support Hibs or Hearts? Towns outside Aberdeen don’t support Aberdeen. There is someone talking piss here, but it’s not me. What towns might these be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Raidernation said: If you're going to start massaging figures then maybe account for the "football tourists" who just want to be seen to be at an EPL game (and I'd include a percentage of ST holders here as well. I don't believe there's anyone at a Motherwell Aberdeen game unless they actually are supporters; at, say, Arsenal v Man Utd???? Yeah lots of football tourists at league 1 Sunderland, who average 30,000 + in a city of 300,000. I’m sure their average attendances will rise this season as more tourists will be attracted to the glamour of the English championship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Livifc1 said: Yeah lots of football tourists at league 1 Sunderland, who average 30,000 + in a city of 300,000. I’m sure their average attendances will rise this season as more tourists will be attracted to the glamour of the English championship. The population of Tyne and Wear is more than 20% of the population of Scotland. It's not too late to back out and fess up that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Livifc1 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: What towns might these be? Mate I live just outside Edinburgh, are you stupid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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