The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Companies were allowed to operate employment practices that brazenly discriminated against Catholics. I started work in Lanarkshire in 1977. I am not aware of any, "employment practices that brazenly discriminated against Catholics". You're not, either. Were there discriminatory employment practices on Scotland? Probably. Did it happen within our lifetime? Almost certainly not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 St. Mirren fans wanking themselves silly because their new strips have a faint pattern named after their town (and thinking everyone else should care as much as them) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I started work in Lanarkshire in 1977. I am not aware of any, "employment practices that brazenly discriminated against Catholics". You're not, either. Were there discriminatory employment practices on Scotland? Probably. Did it happen within our lifetime? Almost certainly not. It certainly happened into the 60s - a bit early for me, but not for you. I didn't claim it was a current phenomenon anyway, so I don't know why you're focusing on that unless attempting some goal post shifting because there are obviously institutions that aren't schools. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It certainly happened into the 60s - a bit early for me, but not for you. The 1860s? Almost certainly. The 1960s? A time of full employment on the Clyde? Absolutely not. There is no evidence whatsoever of institutional bias in Scotland apart from the Education Act of 1918. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 46 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Companies were allowed to operate employment practices that brazenly discriminated against Catholics. That's what I'm getting at with 'institutional' (I'm not even having a particular dig at Rangers here - it was more widespread than that). I wasn't referring to schools. Ironically enough, I'm in favour of scrapping the idea of RC schools. Aren't we all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: The 1860s? Almost certainly. The 1960s? A time of full employment on the Clyde? Absolutely not. There is no evidence whatsoever of institutional bias in Scotland apart from the Education Act of 1918. Stop talking bollocks Kincardine. Discrimination was relatively widespread well after WW2. I know my Dad was advised to not bother applying to certain companies in the early 60s. Hell, I even know of one employer who persevered with such practices into the late 80s and caused great distress among some customers when eventually departing from them. You seem to have pounced on the 'institutional ' angle in a way which reveals a misunderstanding of it. Edited July 15, 2022 by Monkey Tennis 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 So ...... any actual Tin Pot things happening with the 42 teams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stressball Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Stop talking bollocks Kincardine. Discrimination was relatively widespread well after WW2. I know my Dad was advised to not bother applying to certain companies in the early 60s. Hell, I even now of one employer who persevered with such practices into the late 80s and caused great distress among some customers when eventually departing from them. You seem to have pounced on the 'institutional ' angle in a way which reveals a misunderstanding of it. My dad had the same problems, but Kincardine says it never happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Discrimination was relatively widespread well after WW2. I know my Dad was advised to not bother applying to certain companies in the early 60s. Absolutely no evidence for this. At all. Mind you, that didn't stop the anecdotes which persisted even when I started work in Scotland's heavy industry in the 70s. I'd have expected better from you than 'My dad said'... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, stressball said: My dad had the same problems, but Kincardine says it never happened. Your dad had no problem getting work in 1960s or 1970s Scotland. It doesn't matter what his religion was. it was a time of full employment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Absolutely no evidence for this. At all. Mind you, that didn't stop the anecdotes which persisted even when I started work in Scotland's heavy industry in the 70s. I'd have expected better from you than 'My dad said'... What are you on about? Who's meant to be lying here, me, my dad? I've no idea why what I'm saying would cause you difficulty. How it represents evidence of a lack of evidence, is baffling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kapowzer said: So ...... any actual Tin Pot things happening with the 42 teams? No, but this thread has become seriously hijacked by the whataboutery brigade ........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Your dad had no problem getting work in 1960s or 1970s Scotland. It doesn't matter what his religion was. it was a time of full employment. Nobody is saying Catholics couldn't get any jobs, just that certain companies discriminated against them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Who's meant to be lying here, me, my dad? Sorry to say it but that's the harsh reality you have to face. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, The_Kincardine said: Sorry to say it but that's the harsh reality you have to face. I don't know what you're playing at here or why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 More cracking insight here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 My dad was also told not to apply at certain companies back in the sixties. That’s probably because he was a thieving c**t though. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I don't know what you're playing at here or why. Not playing at anything. Scotland did have a problem with anti-Catholic discrimination. Shamefully. By the 60's - a time of full-employment - it didn't. Anyone who wanted a job or an apprenticeship could have one irrespective of their school or background. This is well documented. If your auld man lied to you it is not my problem. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Way, way back in the day my mum’s firm wouldn’t employ women, Catholics or Fifers When she left she was a partner in the firm, one of the other partners was Roman Catholic and they still had never ever employed a Fifer which seems fair enough 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilMARKnock Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, G51 said: My dad was also told not to apply at certain companies back in the sixties. That’s probably because he was a thieving c**t though. That did make me chuckle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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