kingjoey Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 06/04/2023 at 16:08, Raidernation said: Duncan Davidson? Definitely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Hawkeye the Gnu said: Still clear as mud isn’t it. The goalie can’t come out of the boobies and needs to stay 6 yards from the ball, which must have been difficult as his opponents are going to be firing the ball towards him. was the penalty line 12 yards out or 18 yards as mentioned earlier? And we think the offside law’s complicated. The goalkeeper could come out the boobies and in fact for a few years were able to handle the ball anywhere in their own half if I remember right. They had to call a "mark" in the same way they do in rugby (or a "fair catch" in American Football). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: The goalkeeper could come out the boobies and in fact for a few years were able to handle the ball anywhere in their own half if I remember right. They had to call a "mark" in the same way they do in rugby (or a "fair catch" in American Football). I believe keepers could handle anywhere in their own half until 1912. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Defenders were allowed to catch it and call "mark" for a while. Not sure when they got rid of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) Oh I see Salvo has already mentioned that, should try reading the thread before posting. Edited April 7, 2023 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Defenders were allowed to catch it and call "mark" for a while. Not sure when they got rid of that. Im sure that’s what Considine of St Johnstone tried against us a few weeks ago. Ref thought it was ok apparently. Edited April 7, 2023 by Hawkeye the Gnu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 06/04/2023 at 15:45, AyrshireTon said: Aberdeen v Morton in the Quarter Final of the Scottish Cup in 1978. Not sure who the airborne Dons player is, but the others are George Anderson, Drew Jarvie and Tommy Veitch. Both Andy Ritchie and John Goldthorp scored in injury time to give us a 2-2 draw and a replay at Cappielow. This is from that replay, which the Dons won 2-1. No breathing space in the Cowshed. This was the first Morton game which my dad and I attended and we were hooked from that moment. We'd go on to win the 1st division at the end of that season. The replay is one of my most "memorable" matches. I was working in Lochee at the time and had worked out how to get into the centre of Dundee, get a train to Glasgow and catch a train to Cartsdyke to make the kick off. Then I had to meet my mate in the ground and stay with him overnight and catch the first train to Dundee in the morning. Got to the station, found out the train was about 20 minutes late, had to decide whether it was worth getting on the late train and stupidly did. Ended up at Cappielow 30 minutes after kick off and despite banging on every door I could find couldn't find anyone to let me in. Hung about, got in with 15 minutes left when they opened the gates and I think I missed all of the goals. 200 mile or so round trip to see 15 minutes of football. At least I got in for nothing. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Eednud said: No idea although this says the goalie had to be at least 6 yards from the ball. One of the players on the goal line in the photo is probably the goalie as they used two wear the same coloured shirts back then. Why was the rule enforced? The penalty kick was invented in the year, 1890 by an Irish footballer by the name of William McGann. McGann was a goalkeeper himself, who played for Milford FC in the very first season of the Irish league. However, it was a member of the Irish Football Association who was pivotal in making the idea of a penalty kick one of the laws of the game. Defenders were finding it easy to stop oncoming attackers from scoring a goal by fouling them close to the goal – the 12-yard area which we now know as the penalty box. The proposition to make the penalty kick a law was to prevent this very dirty trick used by defenders. The proposition was accepted, and it became a part of the rules as Rule number 13. in 1891. The law read: “If any player shall intentionally trip or hold an opposing player, or deliberately handle the ball within twelve yards from his own goal line, the referee shall, on appeal, award the opposing side a penalty kick, to be taken from any point 12 yards from the goal line, under the following conditions: All players, with the exception of the player taking the penalty kick and the goalkeeper, shall stand behind the ball and at least six yards from it; the ball shall be in play when the kick is taken. A goal may be scored from a penalty kick.” I've got an old Sunday Post cutting from c.1990 that says the first penalty kick in Scotland was scored at Bank Park, Leith Athletic's ground (roughly where the present Leith Academy is now). However I've read elsewhere that this is bollocks. Oh my, isn't it awffy? If you can't trust the Sunday Post who can you trust? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 14 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: I believe keepers could handle anywhere in their own half until 1912. ... but ... most evening games don't start until 19:45 ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Otis Blue said: ... but ... most evening games don't start until 19:45 ... Not back in 19oatcake, no lights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 13 hours ago, tamthebam said: I've got an old Sunday Post cutting from c.1990 that says the first penalty kick in Scotland was scored at Bank Park, Leith Athletic's ground (roughly where the present Leith Academy is now). However I've read elsewhere that this is bollocks. Oh my, isn't it awffy? If you can't trust the Sunday Post who can you trust? You certainly didn't read that in the Sunday Post... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 23 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Defenders were allowed to catch it and call "mark" for a while. Not sure when they got rid of that. February 1866. Almost certainly to make the game more different from rugby. Although they went a bit far and banned ANY use of hands. The goalkeeper was only allowed to handle the ball in 1871. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 Fife born Joe Watson in action for Sydney City Hakoah possibly in the old NSL against Marconi Fairfield. Joe started at Nottingham Forest then moved to Dundee United in 1970 playing 8 first team games up to 1973 then moved to Forfar Athletic the same year playing 33 games and scoring 4 goals. Busy year as he then moved to Sydney and from 1973 to 1986 played for Sydney Hakoah/Eastern Suburbs/Sydney City (all the same team which still exists as Maccabi Hakoah Sydney City East). He was capped 17 times (2 goals) for the Socceroos including the first leg of the WC play-off against Scotland at Hampden in 1985. He sadly was only 48 when he died of liver cancer in 2000. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 The last Cowdenbeath team, resplendent in their away strips, to play in the top flight of Scottish football. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 Meadowbank Thistle (either 86/87 or 87/88 given Darren Jackson is in the photo). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 A couple of East Fife team photos from the early 70s. Not quite their heyday, but one of the last really good sides in their history. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagane Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, Specky Ginger said: The last Cowdenbeath team, resplendent in their away strips, to play in the top flight of Scottish football. Was there a gale blowing in from the west ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, dagane said: Was there a gale blowing in from the west ? There was a gale from the west around 1980 as it blew down the cowshed behind the Chapel Street (Beath High School) End of Central Park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Specky Ginger said: A couple of East Fife team photos from the early 70s. Graham Honeyman played over 200 games for West Adelaide in the NSL and was voted NSL Player of the Year in 1985. He played once for Australia B in a 1985 friendly against Red Star Belgrade (1-4) in Adelaide. Scots Joe Watson and David Mitchell played as did current Australian coach Graham Arnold. He helped West Adelaide win the NSL in it’s second season in 1978 and was on the losing side in the 1986 NSL Cup Final. Graham Honeyman 30-May-1953 Forward Born in Scotland Season Club Country Tier Competition Start Sub App Goals 1977 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 15 0 15 2 1978 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 23 0 23 5 1979 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 22 1 23 0 1980 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 26 0 26 3 1981 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 26 1 27 2 1982 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 30 0 30 14 1983 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 27 1 28 2 1984 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 25 0 25 5 1985 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 19 0 19 3 1986 West Adelaide Australia 1 National Soccer League 21 0 21 0 234 3 237 36 Honeyman, Graham Date of Birth: Position: Inside Forward Playing Record Junior Club: Ladybank Juvs (Scotland) 1969/70 - East Fife (Scotland) 1 app + 0 sub. 1 gls. 1970/1 - East Fife (Scotland) 31 app + 0 sub. 9 gls. 1971/2 - East Fife (Scotland) 27 app + 4 sub. 3 gls. 1972/3 - East Fife (Scotland) 15 app + 6 sub. 5 gls. 1973/4 - East Fife (Scotland) 6 app + 3 sub. 0 gls. 1974/5 - East Fife (Scotland) 12 app + 15 sub. 2 gls. 1975/6 - East Fife (Scotland) 9 app + 4 sub. 2 gls. 1976 - Sydney Hakoah (NSW Div 1) 1977 - West Adelaide (NSL) 1978/9 - Dundee United (Scotland) 2 app + 1 sub. 0 gls. 1979 - West Adelaide (NSL) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 On 08/04/2023 at 13:28, bluearmyfaction said: February 1866. Almost certainly to make the game more different from rugby. Although they went a bit far and banned ANY use of hands. The goalkeeper was only allowed to handle the ball in 1871. Fun summary: The FA's first Laws of the Game of 1863 did not make any special provision for a goalkeeper, with any player being allowed to catch or knock-on the ball. Handling the ball was completely forbidden (for all players) in 1870. The next year, 1871, the laws were amended to introduce the goalkeeper and specify that the keeper was allowed to handle the ball "for the protection of his goal". The restrictions on the ability of the goalkeeper to handle the ball were changed several times in subsequent revisions of the laws: 1871: the keeper may handle the ball only "for the protection of his goal". 1873: the keeper may not "carry" the ball. 1883: the keeper may not carry the ball for more than two steps. 1887: the keeper may not handle the ball in the opposition's half. 1901: the keeper may handle the ball for any purpose (not only in defence of the goal). 1912: the keeper may handle the ball only in the penalty area. 1931: the keeper may take up to four steps (rather than two) while carrying the ball. 1992: the keeper may not handle the ball after it has been deliberately kicked to him/her by a team-mate. 1997: the keeper may not handle the ball for more than six seconds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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