A Photographic History Of Scottish Football

[Dundee Hibernian]

 

1 hour ago, Flybhoy said:

A young Murdo McLeod at Dumbarton with Lawrie Williams posing on photoshoot day.

Funny you posting that an hour ago, I was away to post these:

Chewing Gum card.

Testimonial programme, Dumbarton v Rangers & Celtic Select (Old Firm Select).

And the team lines , with one Rangers player (Derek Parlane, who was from just up the road).

Edited January 13, 2023 by Dundee Hibernian

[Furbootson]

I hope it’s okay to post this query here, in order to clear up my confusion over the Scottish player’s very distinctive white-striped socks in this photo.

One website identifies it as Stanley Matthews taking on George Young (I thought so, too) during the Home International at Hampden in April 1948, but I’ve watched the Pathe News footage of that game on YouTube, and there’s no doubt that the Scotland team are wearing their familiar red-topped socks and not blue and white striped ones, including George in this video screenshot.

George was at centre-half that day and wore number 5 (also confirmed in video screenshot), but even allowing for the fact the figure in the photo is bent over at an angle, the number on his back (which admittedly looks like a five at first) appears different in shape from the one in the video screenshot.

It certainly looks like George in the photo, but a friend at first thought it was Willie Woodburn at centre-half, not big George, so I had a look at the Pathe videos for other years that Matthews played in, and again there’s no sign of striped socks, just the red-topped ones. The crest on Matthews' shirt looks like the pre-1949 one, so that dates it before then.

Not really important, just thought I’d ask if anyone here had an idea. Thanks.

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Furbootson

[O'Kelly Isley III]

6 hours ago, Furbootson said:

I hope it’s okay to post this query here, in order to clear up my confusion over the Scottish player’s very distinctive white-striped socks in this photo.

One website identifies it as Stanley Matthews taking on George Young (I thought so, too) during the Home International at Hampden in April 1948, but I’ve watched the Pathe News footage of that game on YouTube, and there’s no doubt that the Scotland team are wearing their familiar red-topped socks and not blue and white striped ones, including George in this video screenshot.

George was at centre-half that day and wore number 5 (also confirmed in video screenshot), but even allowing for the fact the figure in the photo is bent over at an angle, the number on his back (which admittedly looks like a five at first) appears different in shape from the one in the video screenshot.

It certainly looks like George in the photo, but a friend at first thought it was Willie Woodburn at centre-half, not big George, so I had a look at the Pathe videos for other years that Matthews played in, and again there’s no sign of striped socks, just the red-topped ones. The crest on Matthews' shirt looks like the pre-1949 one, so that dates it before then.

Not really important, just thought I’d ask if anyone here had an idea. Thanks.

 

 

My initial thought is that whatever the match was in the top picture it wasn't played at Hampden - there is a strange recess showing in the crowd which doesn't resemble the North Enclosure, and that together with children on the touchline suggests maybe a wartime international played at an English venue.

[Furbootson]

1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

My initial thought is that whatever the match was in the top picture it wasn't played at Hampden - there is a strange recess showing in the crowd which doesn't resemble the North Enclosure, and that together with children on the touchline suggests maybe a wartime international played at an English venue.

 

I thought that might be a possibility as Scotland wore blue socks with two white stripes in at least some of those games, and big George played in a couple in 1943. Matthews played in a couple of dozen, so there's a good chance he played in the same ones. And I think they also wore socks with that big third strip lower down both in the thirties and the fifties.

[Furbootson]

I'm thinking now that this is indeed a wartime international, and that the Scotland player is probably Jimmy Stephen, who played for Bradford Park Avenue and Portsmouth. Seems logical now, as it would be the left back keeping an eye on Matthews out on the right wing. In a lot of them Scotland didn't wear numbers on their back, but they did in the 6-1 defeat at Hampden in 1945. It's more likely to be from the 3-2 defeat at Villa Park earlier that same year, which could explain the folk on the touchline.

 

[tamthebam]

14 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

 

Funny you posting that an hour ago, I was away to post these:

Chewing Gum card.

Testimonial programme, Dumbarton v Rangers & Celtic Select (Old Firm Select).

And the team lines , with one Rangers player (Derek Parlane, who was from just up the road).

Older readers (me!) might query why David Syme wasn't listed in the Old Firm Select!

[tamthebam]

32 minutes ago, Furbootson said:

I'm thinking now that this is indeed a wartime international, and that the Scotland player is probably Jimmy Stephen, who played for Bradford Park Avenue and Portsmouth. Seems logical now, as it would be the left back keeping an eye on Matthews out on the right wing. In a lot of them Scotland didn't wear numbers on their back, but they did in the 6-1 defeat at Hampden in 1945. It's more likely to be from the 3-2 defeat at Villa Park earlier that same year, which could explain the folk on the touchline.

 

England's right half back Soo, rather than being Sooty's bit on the side, was Frank Soo. He was mixed British-Chinese and later managed in Norway (where he was described as a "slave-driver". A proto Jock Wallace if you will)

[Furbootson]

Gotcha! (I think ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsHXdIhAqw

The Burnden Park disaster Charity Match at Maine Road on 24 August 1946 ... Jock Shaw was at left-back, and at the 32-second mark of the video it looks exactly like the original photo, with both players wearing the same socks as photo ...

 

However, no way that's Jock Shaw in the original image, or his brother Davie who was at right back ... so assuming that actually is a 5 on the back of the Scottish player's strip, it must be the centre-half that day, Frank Brennan, the Rock of Tyneside ... the long sharp nose and short black hair confirm it, I think ... it was either just before or after his move from Airdrie to Newcastle.

 

 

 

[Furbootson]

18 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

My initial thought is that whatever the match was in the top picture it wasn't played at Hampden - there is a strange recess showing in the crowd which doesn't resemble the North Enclosure, and that together with children on the touchline suggests maybe a wartime international played at an English venue.

Thanks for that ... you can see the recess in the crowd behind Jock Shaw, and also the people along the touchline, which means that the photo must've been taken in the second-half when Matthews was on the other wing ...

 

[Dundee Hibernian]

Jock Stein confronting fans over sectarian chants at Stirling Albion's Annfield (1972).

[HibeeJibee]

On 14/01/2023 at 12:19, Furbootson said:

I'm thinking now that this is indeed a wartime international, and that the Scotland player is probably Jimmy Stephen, who played for Bradford Park Avenue and Portsmouth. Seems logical now, as it would be the left back keeping an eye on Matthews out on the right wing. In a lot of them Scotland didn't wear numbers on their back, but they did in the 6-1 defeat at Hampden in 1945. It's more likely to be from the 3-2 defeat at Villa Park earlier that same year, which could explain the folk on the touchline.

There was also an August international in 1946 - at Manchester City - to raise funds following the Burden Park disaster earlier in the year. It's not counted as an official international (indeed in those days no internationals outside the Home Nations Championship were!)... but as far as people at the time were concerned it was a full international, with all the top players on show, and a crowd of 70,000.

EDIT: see you've got there already.

Edited January 15, 2023 by HibeeJibee

[paul wright scores]

53 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

Jock Stein confronting fans over sectarian chants at Stirling Albion's Annfield (1972).

Sadly they have not got any better in the last 50 years!

[PossilYM]

3 hours ago, paul wright scores said:

Sadly they have not got any better in the last 50 years!

Kilmarnock as in Ayrshire as in Banjo country.

Pot kettle lol

[Flybhoy]

Lisbon Lions, John Hughes and Willie Wallace in the unfamiliar setting of Selhurst Park, 1971 after joining Crystal Palace. 

[Bogbrush1903]

56 minutes ago, Flybhoy said:

Lisbon Lions, John Hughes and Willie Wallace in the unfamiliar setting of Selhurst Park, 1971 after joining Crystal Palace. 

In a similar vein, it made me think of Mauchlen and MacAllister joining Leicester City, although they had more success than Wallace and Hughes 'dahn sarf'...

[Ranaldo Bairn]

Paraded with Russell Osman?

[bluearmyfaction]

On 11/01/2023 at 20:13, jagfox said:

The Celebrity fan. Any you recall for your club or in Scottish football in general?

[Eednud]

Denis Law wearing the no. 8 shirt scoring on his debut for Manchester City in March 1960 away to Leeds United in 1960 when Leeds colours were blue and yellow. He scores one and sets up another but Leeds won 4-3. Billy Bremner was 17 and on the right wing for Leeds. City’s centre half was John McTavish, ex Dalry Thistle, who moved to St Mirren later that year as part of the move that took Gerry Baker to Maine Road.

 

[Squirrelhumper]

13 hours ago, PossilYM said:

Kilmarnock as in Ayrshire as in Banjo country.

Pot kettle lol

Going by your theory then the full if Glasgow must he orange given the amount of marches each year?

Glad you at least agree that celtic still have a huge issue with bigotry.

[Squirrelhumper]

Ps two of Celtic players with the most ever appearances come from "banjo country"