Ranaldo Bairn Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: In the mid 1920s, a Bainsford bookie tried to bribe Stenhousemuir keeper John Shortt. The Warriors were a great team at that time, so much so that they felt able to play with a man Shortt every week. I'm doing some work with the FFHT just now, and came across the FFC board minute the other day where we signed the unbelievable striker Evelyn Morrison from Stenny. 71 top flight goals in 58 league appearances for us. He signed for £1000 and the brass got together (over a few brandies no doubt) in the Plough Hotel in Stenny to make the deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: I'm doing some work with the FFHT just now, and came across the FFC board minute the other day where we signed the unbelievable striker Evelyn Morrison from Stenny. 71 top flight goals in 58 league appearances for us. He signed for £1000 and the brass got together (over a few brandies no doubt) in the Plough Hotel in Stenny to make the deal. You'll have to enlighten me re the FFHT. Morrison was born in South Africa, but lived in Scotland from childhood. He was picked up as a senior player by the Warriors at a relatively late age (26), played a year at Ochilview, then a year at Brockville, before being sold to Sunderland. His fee was said to have covered the £7,600 cost of Falkirk's new stand, opened the season he signed for the Bairns. Not a great success at Roker Park, he returned to play at Partick Thistle. Unusually, he traveled south each match day to play for Sunderland, training separately from his team mates. Perhaps this partly explains his lack of game time and goals in England. He eventually became a technical teacher in Lanarkshire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, buchan30 said: It is strange to think of replays being played during the day, on weekdays. Especially considering that it was started as a sport for people who worked a half day on a Saturday and probably worked 9-5 during the week. I remember my dad telling me about bunking off school to go to a midweek, during the day replay between Raith and possibly Morton. It was an early example of financial factors impacting on the cup. Sometime in the early 1900s the SFL clubs agreed amongst themselves to do their utmost to hold replays or rearrangements in midweek to avoid displacing league games. Non-league opponents would frequently be offered incentives to do the same but didn't always accept. 3 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: @HibeeJibeeare you perhaps referring to the Robert Orr / Robert Russell bribery affair from 1935? Nope just press reports that week in 1926: * Donald Douglas of 121 Mongolhead Road, Falkirk, pled not guilty then was committed to trial over having attempted to bribe Stenhousemuir goalkeeper Joseph Shortt with £50 if he would cause his team to lose their league game versus Broxburn United * James Hay secretary and manager of Ayr Utd got suspended sine die from involvement in Scottish football, for falsely claiming Thomas Steen also of Ayr Utd the SFA treasurer had tried to bribe a referee - he had refused to apologise, and stood by his claim 2 hours ago, tamthebam said: In Edinburgh Wednesday was a half day. When I was young some shops shut at Wednesday lunch time, including the Post Office - that was the early to mid 1980s. Here is an Ardath card of Aberdeen Shop Assistants. The back of the card says "Formed 1919 and plays in the Wednesday Juniors League". There was a similar League in Edinburgh. There was a craze before WWI for establishing specific midweek leagues to cater to half-day holidays. I'll look them up. EDIT: Inter-City Midweek League (sfha.org.uk) Scottish Inter-City Midweek League was established by Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee and it commenced on Tuesday 15th October 1912, with member clubs due to play each other home-&-away. It was abandoned after Wednesday 6th November with 4 of its 10 rounds of matches completed, due to poor crowds. Rangers were leading by 1pt from Dundee at the time. Glasgow & District Midweek League was established by Clyde, Third Lanark, Partick, Morton, St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Falkirk plus it also commenced on Tuesday 15th October 1912, with members due to play each other 3 home+3 away. It was completed come April - albeit Falkirk dropped out after 2 games and St Mirren-Partick plus Clyde-Morton were not played. Third Lanark were champions, but the tournament didn't return next season. Lord Provost's Rent Relief Fund (sfha.org.uk) Glasgow Dental Cup (sfha.org.uk) Glasgow Rent Relief Cup Edinburgh Rent Relief Cup were both contested in 1921-22, with the 6x Glasgow clubs and 4x Edinburgh clubs contesting. There was 1 tie every Wednesday over a period of weeks. Rangers and Hearts (held-over by 18 months) won. Glasgow Dental Cup was contested in 1928-29, again 6x Glasgow clubs again 1 tie every Wednesday. Partick won the cup. Edited November 30, 2022 by HibeeJibee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: You'll have to enlighten me re the FFHT. Morrison was born in South Africa, but lived in Scotland from childhood. He was picked up as a senior player by the Warriors at a relatively late age (26), played a year at Ochilview, then a year at Brockville, before being sold to Sunderland. His fee was said to have covered the £7,600 cost of Falkirk's new stand, opened the season he signed for the Bairns. Not a great success at Roker Park, he returned to play at Partick Thistle. Unusually, he traveled south each match day to play for Sunderland, training separately from his team mates. Perhaps this partly explains his lack of game time and goals in England. He eventually became a technical teacher in Lanarkshire. https://falkirkfootballheritagetrust.wordpress.com/?fbclid=IwAR2k8GFeM3iL1QicfV0VULGGJ2oASB9PvoryYUP7OeJ0FS_QjUCOk2lhVj0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Following on from the correction of Mr Shortt's first name (Joe), and in an attempt to work some repetitive humour, Joe Shortt had kept goal for Albion Rovers when they reached the Scottish Cup Final in 1920, losing the Kilmarnock, below. Kilmarnock had Mattha Shortt at centre half, meaning for the first and so far only occasion, a Scottish Cup Final took place with both sides playing a player Shortt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 With all of the posts regarding the 1925/26 Scottish Cup, it's important to remember who won it that season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: It was an early example of financial factors impacting on the cup. Sometime in the early 1900s the SFL clubs agreed amongst themselves to do their utmost to hold replays or rearrangements in midweek to avoid displacing league games. Non-league opponents would frequently be offered incentives to do the same but didn't always accept. Nope just press reports that week in 1926: * Donald Douglas of 121 Mongolhead Road, Falkirk, pled not guilty then was committed to trial over having attempted to bribe Stenhousemuir goalkeeper Joseph Shortt with £50 if he would cause his team to lose their league game versus Broxburn United * James Hay secretary and manager of Ayr Utd got suspended sine die from involvement in Scottish football, for falsely claiming Thomas Steen also of Ayr Utd the SFA treasurer had tried to bribe a referee - he had refused to apologise, and stood by his claim There was a craze before WWI for establishing specific midweek leagues to cater to half-day holidays. I'll look them up. EDIT: Inter-City Midweek League (sfha.org.uk) Scottish Inter-City Midweek League was established by Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen and Dundee and it commenced on Tuesday 15th October 1912, with member clubs due to play each other home-&-away. It was abandoned after Wednesday 6th November with 4 of its 10 rounds of matches completed, due to poor crowds. Rangers were leading by 1pt from Dundee at the time. Glasgow & District Midweek League was established by Clyde, Third Lanark, Partick, Morton, St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Falkirk plus it also commenced on Tuesday 15th October 1912, with members due to play each other 3 home+3 away. It was completed come April - albeit Falkirk dropped out after 2 games and St Mirren-Partick plus Clyde-Morton were not played. Third Lanark were champions, but the tournament didn't return next season. Lord Provost's Rent Relief Fund (sfha.org.uk) Glasgow Dental Cup (sfha.org.uk) Glasgow Rent Relief Cup Edinburgh Rent Relief Cup were both contested in 1921-22, with the 6x Glasgow clubs and 4x Edinburgh clubs contesting. There was 1 tie every Wednesday over a period of weeks. Rangers and Hearts (held-over by 18 months) won. Glasgow Dental Cup was contested in 1928-29, again 6x Glasgow clubs again 1 tie every Wednesday. Partick won the cup. Is Mongolhead Road still there? Eta, still there as Mungalhead Road. PC gone mad! Edited December 1, 2022 by Sergeant Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 John Cochrane was the St. Mirren manager when they won the Scottish Cup in 1926. He then went on to manage Sunderland to win the English FA Cup 11 years later, becoming the first to manage cup winning sides on both sides of the border. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Is Mongolhead Road still there? Eta, still there as Mungalhead Road. PC gone mad! I wonder why they changed it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Chief Toffee Teeth Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Steve Archibald moves from Clyde to Aberdeen, featuring Craig Brown with hair. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said: I wonder why they changed it? It was never changed, always Mungalhead Road, named after Mungal Farm or the Mungal Burn nearby. 54 minutes ago, Big Chief Toffee Teeth said: Steve Archibald moves from Clyde to Aberdeen, featuring Craig Brown with hair. Which one is Craig Brown? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Boghead ranter said: I wonder why they changed it? And when... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: It was never changed, always Mungalhead Road, named after Mungal Farm or the Mungal Burn nearby. It said Mongolhead in the report. I thought it might have been a similar naming style to Saracen's or The Turk's Head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: It was never changed, always Mungalhead Road, named after Mungal Farm or the Mungal Burn nearby. Which one is Craig Brown? The one that isn't Billy McNeill, Aberdeen's manager who signed Archibald 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: It was never changed, always Mungalhead Road, named after Mungal Farm or the Mungal Burn nearby. Which one is Craig Brown? Fur coat, on the right. He's changed quite a bit over the years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Fur coat, on the right. He's changed quite a bit over the years. Thought so: you can see the onset of his hair loss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 16 hours ago, Big Chief Toffee Teeth said: Steve Archibald moves from Clyde to Aberdeen, featuring Craig Brown with hair. Sorry that the Dons changed to their name back to plain Aberdeen FC. 'Aberdeen, featuring Craig Brown with hair' had a nice ring to it . Even better would have been 'Aberdeen, featuring Craig Brown in the musical Hair' . That's what I call half-time entertainment. Pittodrie would have been stowed out ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 28/11/2022 at 19:35, Dundee Hibernian said: Unsure where I got these from: this is from 1960. Association Football by A. H. Fabian and Geoffrey Green, published by Caxton in 1961. A nice four volume history. Right now there are a few sets on ebay, expect to pay £35-40, but there is an auction ending pretty soon that's at a low price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 30/11/2022 at 19:20, tamthebam said: In Edinburgh Wednesday was a half day. Here is an Ardath card of Aberdeen Shop Assistants The back of the card says "Formed 1919 and plays in the Wednesday Juniors League". There was a similar League in Edinburgh. And Birmingham - also for works teams. One of which (the Corp. Transport team) reached the first round of the FA Cup proper - something which the Glasgow Corporation side managed in Scotland in 1970, losing at Brechin. There was even a national cup for all the local tramway/transport teams; a totally forgotten bit of British football history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, bluearmyfaction said: And Birmingham - also for works teams. One of which (the Corp. Transport team) reached the first round of the FA Cup proper - something which the Glasgow Corporation side managed in Scotland in 1970, losing at Brechin. There was even a national cup for all the local tramway/transport teams; a totally forgotten bit of British football history. Glasgow Corporation Transport team even had their own ground, one of five grounds in the Parkhead area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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