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9 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

 


Monday was a common day for midweek games in decades after WWII anyway.

They didn't seem bothered for having 2/3 clear days between games like nowadays.

Not sure why. Get it out the way? Closer to fans payday the previous Friday?

To give some random midweek examples:

* Partick and Morton both made their home European debuts on Mondays during mid-1960s

* numerous Scottish Cup replays were on Mondays

* more Scottish clubs seem to have opened their floodlights on Mondays than any other night

* Monday night was the most common night used in the Anglo-Scottish Floodlight League of the mid-1950s

It was even more common down south: there'd be numerous matches in England on Monday nights during 1960s - sometimes more than on Tuesdays or Wednesdays.

HJ is the proverbial mine of information.

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17 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

 


Monday was a common day for midweek games in decades after WWII anyway.

They didn't seem bothered for having 2/3 clear days between games like nowadays.

Not sure why. Get it out the way? Closer to fans payday the previous Friday?

To give some random midweek examples:

* Partick and Morton both made their home European debuts on Mondays during mid-1960s

* numerous Scottish Cup replays were on Mondays

* more Scottish clubs seem to have opened their floodlights on Mondays than any other night

* Monday night was the most common night used in the Anglo-Scottish Floodlight League of the mid-1950s

It was even more common down south: there'd be numerous matches in England on Monday nights during 1960s - sometimes more than on Tuesdays or Wednesdays.

Image 1 - 1956/7 LEEDS UNITED v CELTIC (FLOODLIT FRIENDLY)

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8 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

HJ is the proverbial mine of information.

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I'd noticed phenomenon before.

You also find unusual numbers of league games/local cup-ties on autumn Monday afternoons in 1920s & 30s - they were local holidays and of course pre-floodlights.


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Can't find good images online: but Hibs and Hearts opened v each other on Mondays in 1954 and 1957... East Fife v Leeds in 1955... Dunfermline v Sheffield Utd in 1959... Cowdenbeath v Celtic in 1966... etc. etc.

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15 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

You also find unusual numbers of league games/local cup-ties on autumn Monday afternoons in 1920s & 30s - they were local holidays and of course pre-floodlights.

Just to pick Raith Rovers as an example because I knew their history book shows the days of the week. This doesn't include holidays games at Christmas or New Year:

1919     Mon 6 Oct       Raith v Clyde (SFL)
1920     Mon 5 Apr       Raith v Lochgelly (Weymss Cup)
1920     Mon 26 Apr     Albion Rovers v Raith (SFL)

1920     Mon 16 Aug     Albion Rovers v Raith (SFL)
1920     Mon 20 Sep     Dunfermline v Raith (Penman Cup)
1920     Mon 4 Oct        Raith v Queen's Park (SFL)
1921     Mon 4 Apr        Raith v Middlesbrough (friendly)
1921     Mon 18 Apr      Hearts v Raith (Dunedin Cup)

1921     Mon 15 Aug     Celtic v Raith (SFL)
1921     Mon 5 Sep        Albion Rovers v Raith (SFL)
1921     Mon 19 Sep     Airdrie v Raith (SFL)
1921     Mon 3 Oct         Raith v Bradford City (friendly)
1921     Mon 3 Apr         Raith v Rangers (SFL)
1922     Mon 10 Apr       Hibs v Raith (Dunedin Cup)


1923     Mon 2 Apr           Raith v Hibs (SFL)
1923     Mon 16 Apr         Hibs v Raith (Dunedin Cup)
1923     Mon 30 Apr         Cowdenbeath v Raith (Fife Cup)


and so it continues each season.

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In 1998 Edinburgh City won a Monday Scottish Cup replay against the Shire.

I don't remember any Monday games after that apart from when the Juniors were trying to get their season finished!

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9 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

In 1998 Edinburgh City won a Monday Scottish Cup replay against the Shire.

I don't remember any Monday games after that apart from when the Juniors were trying to get their season finished!

They still happens. Didn't you play Forfar and Brechin on Mondays at Meadowbank?

It's because after 2 attempts you have to retry twice-per-midweek e.g. Monday+Wednesday.

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Unrelated to domestic league and cup calendar but since it's the Monday club, I remember coming home from school one summer's Monday afternoon in 1990 to watch this horror show delivered by a Costa Rican called Juan Cayasso...

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7 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Unrelated to domestic league and cup calendar but since it's the Monday club, I remember coming home from school one summer's Monday afternoon in 1990 to watch this horror show delivered by a Costa Rican called Juan Cayasso...

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I either took a half day or was on holidays, think it must have been a half day. What a waste of a half day...

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12 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Unrelated to domestic league and cup calendar but since it's the Monday club, I remember coming home from school one summer's Monday afternoon in 1990 to watch this horror show delivered by a Costa Rican called Juan Cayasso...

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never noticed before but it looks like some fans just watched from what i assume was the stairwell. 

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4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

I either took a half day or was on holidays, think it must have been a half day. What a waste of a half day...

I was there. An absolute nightmare.

Got sold a pup by booking a coach trip laid on by Tartan Army con man John Grigor. About 3 days to get there. Accommodation supposedly 2 hours from venue, he missed out a 1 at the start of that. Attended all 3 games in the same circumstances and must've spent more than half of a 16 day holiday on a bus.

There was an alcohol ban in Genoa and Turin, but you could drink if eating or if an Italian con man let you in his pub. Invariably this meant his cousin would watch for the approaching police and call for you to finish your drinks, before shouting they had passed by and we could re-order...you get the picture.

I've had ordinary guns pointed at me, hit with batons and been detained, but the machine gun the Italian copper used to persuade me to leave a pub was particularly convincing. It was the opening gambit, not an excuse me or anything. Just a tap on the shoulder, look round in to the barrell.... "Aye, fair enough, I'm going"!

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11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I was there. An absolute nightmare.

Got sold a pup by booking a coach trip laid on by Tartan Army con man John Grigor. About 3 days to get there. Accommodation supposedly 2 hours from venue, he missed out a 1 at the start of that. Attended all 3 games in the same circumstances and must've spent more than half of a 16 day holiday on a bus.

There was an alcohol ban in Genoa and Turin, but you could drink if eating or if an Italian con man let you in his pub. Invariably this meant his cousin would watch for the approaching police and call for you to finish your drinks, before shouting they had passed by and we could re-order...you get the picture.

I've had ordinary guns pointed at me, hit with batons and been detained, but the machine gun the Italian copper used to persuade me to leave a pub was particularly convincing. It was the opening gambit, not an excuse me or anything. Just a tap on the shoulder, look round in to the barrell.... "Aye, fair enough, I'm going"!

But apart from that...

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12 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Unrelated to domestic league and cup calendar but since it's the Monday club, I remember coming home from school one summer's Monday afternoon in 1990 to watch this horror show delivered by a Costa Rican called Juan Cayasso...

Juan-Cayasso-v-Scotland.jpg.07bc810c481cceb3d5733066161952b3.jpg

 

The whole reason we got there was the Johnston/McCoist partnership firing in goals left and right.

Cue the team news and Alan McInally coming in.  Even the 12 year old me was like 'WTF.....this is a bad call'.

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The whole reason we got there was the Johnston/McCoist partnership firing in goals left and right.
Cue the team news and Alan McInally coming in.  Even the 12 year old me was like 'WTF.....this is a bad call'.
Amazing the amount of players over the years, that were great for their club and absolutely shite for Scotland. Archibald and Sharpe to name 2
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1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I was there. An absolute nightmare.

Got sold a pup by booking a coach trip laid on by Tartan Army con man John Grigor. About 3 days to get there. Accommodation supposedly 2 hours from venue, he missed out a 1 at the start of that. Attended all 3 games in the same circumstances and must've spent more than half of a 16 day holiday on a bus.

There was an alcohol ban in Genoa and Turin, but you could drink if eating or if an Italian con man let you in his pub. Invariably this meant his cousin would watch for the approaching police and call for you to finish your drinks, before shouting they had passed by and we could re-order...you get the picture.

I've had ordinary guns pointed at me, hit with batons and been detained, but the machine gun the Italian copper used to persuade me to leave a pub was particularly convincing. It was the opening gambit, not an excuse me or anything. Just a tap on the shoulder, look round in to the barrell.... "Aye, fair enough, I'm going"!

Grigor still does his trips. A couple of my mates were on his bus in 1998 , and i think their experience was pretty much the same as yours.

I once hitched a lift from the airport into Warsaw city centre on his bus, but I think that's as far as I would go with Grigor Travel. 

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2 hours ago, paulbrucerick said:

Grigor still does his trips. A couple of my mates were on his bus in 1998 , and i think their experience was pretty much the same as yours.

I once hitched a lift from the airport into Warsaw city centre on his bus, but I think that's as far as I would go with Grigor Travel. 

There was a crowd of Dundee United supporters on my bus who would have stolen the eyes out your head, but they were willing to share from every shop they ransacked on the way there and back. That helped keep the costs down. There was some shenanigans from Grigor looking for more money than he'd already charged for tickets for the Brazil game. The issue was resolved by one of the United guys nutting him.

The bus had left from Aberdeen, via Dundee. I got on at George Square and the contents of the toilet were coming to meet me then...only 3 days to go!

I bumped in to Michael Forsyth after the Costa Rica game.

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I was there. An absolute nightmare.
Got sold a pup by booking a coach trip laid on by Tartan Army con man John Grigor. About 3 days to get there. Accommodation supposedly 2 hours from venue, he missed out a 1 at the start of that. Attended all 3 games in the same circumstances and must've spent more than half of a 16 day holiday on a bus.
There was an alcohol ban in Genoa and Turin, but you could drink if eating or if an Italian con man let you in his pub. Invariably this meant his cousin would watch for the approaching police and call for you to finish your drinks, before shouting they had passed by and we could re-order...you get the picture.
I've had ordinary guns pointed at me, hit with batons and been detained, but the machine gun the Italian copper used to persuade me to leave a pub was particularly convincing. It was the opening gambit, not an excuse me or anything. Just a tap on the shoulder, look round in to the barrell.... "Aye, fair enough, I'm going"!

I had similar but it was through AT Mays. The bus left from Glasgow on Saturday night (the Costa Rica match was on Monday) I was staying in London at the time but they wouldn’t do any pick ups on the way so I had to get the train up to Glasgow to get the bus back south. In the first 24 hours I had only actually traveled about 50 miles from where I was living.
We arrived in Genoa early Monday morning,I think it was a 5pm KO and the city was dry.
The accommodation was in Rimini on the other side of Italy and we didn’t get there till the Tuesday morning.
Other than that I had a great time and the Sweden game was one of the best atmospheres at any match I have been at.
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8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

The whole reason we got there was the Johnston/McCoist partnership firing in goals left and right.

Cue the team news and Alan McInally coming in.  Even the 12 year old me was like 'WTF.....this is a bad call'.

Interesting bit in the interview Roxburgh gave to Chick Young a couple of weeks back where he touches upon some of his more controversial Scotland line-ups. Was more the manner in which he said it than what was said, but he was quite strident that in almost every case where he's been questioned over a seemingly bizarre omission it was down to the fact that his squad was meeting at the end of a league season, and the players in question weren't anywhere near as fit or healthy as the standard he deemed necessary. He also pointedly brought up the fact that this is never acknowledged by the public when they bring these things up with him. 

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8 hours ago, Gosport Buddie said:
9 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
The whole reason we got there was the Johnston/McCoist partnership firing in goals left and right.
Cue the team news and Alan McInally coming in.  Even the 12 year old me was like 'WTF.....this is a bad call'.

Amazing the amount of players over the years, that were great for their club and absolutely shite for Scotland. Archibald and Sharpe to name 2

Graeme Sharp, 

David Speedie,

Brian McClair.

Alan McInally.

Gordon Durie.

The total caps count, compared to the goal return is noticeable.

 

 

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