Monkey Tennis Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Nowhereman said: 'Interfering with play' or 'seeking to gain an advantage'. I don't think there is any doubt that the St Mirren player on the line was 'seeking to gain an advantage' Ok then, every forward who ever, ever got ahead of the last defender had to be instantly given as offside. Sorry, that's just bollocks. As we can see, officials desperate to insert themselves into the story sometimes disallowed goals then, on the most spurious of grounds. The point is though, that they chose to. The rules absolutely did not require it, and were in fact worded in such a way as to convey that ruling out such goals was never the law's intention. I remember that Keegan one. It was widely regarded at the time as an atrocious decision, primarily because it was. Revisits that pretend it was correct at the time are misreading the time altogether. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, kingjoey said: Always remember this match as it was only 3 days after my dad died, and me and my two sisters were sitting in my living room discussing what had to be done with this on the radio in the background. Eric Black was a fantastic player who should have had a lot more than his two Scotland caps. He was the epitome of a player who could hang in the air for crosses and he only played for Aberdeen and Metz and as you rightly say retired at 28 because of his back injuries. Was that not the game big Rougvie bared his arse to the jungle after getting pelters? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Nowhereman said: 'Interfering with play' or 'seeking to gain an advantage'. I don't think there is any doubt that the St Mirren player on the line was 'seeking to gain an advantage' "Gaining an advantage" is when a player is literally in a position to take advantage of the ball coming off the keeper or the woodwork, neither of which happened on that occasion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Hibee Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Willie Miller seems more conformtable in the suit and has wisely chosen to leave it unbuttoned. While big Alex McLeish looks absolutely fucking delighted at his 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 17 hours ago, Flybhoy said: Scotland squad for the 1986 World Cup in Mexico wearing some pretty awful suits, I had no idea Arthur Albiston was such a short arse. Malpas looks like Lieutenant Dan at his wedding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 An imaginative protest from 1888 - "the ref was David Bryant's grandad"... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: Ok then, every forward who ever, ever got ahead of the last defender had to be instantly given as offside. Sorry, that's just bollocks. As we can see, officials desperate to insert themselves into the story sometimes disallowed goals then, on the most spurious of grounds. The point is though, that they chose to. The rules absolutely did not require it, and were in fact worded in such a way as to convey that ruling out such goals was never the law's intention. I remember that Keegan one. It was widely regarded at the time as an atrocious decision, primarily because it was. Revisits that pretend it was correct at the time are misreading the time altogether. You might think that the rules are bollocks and that's fair enough. But me quoting the rules to you isn't bollocks. That's what the rules used to say and either could be used as a reason for giving offside A player on the touchline who is in an offside position clearly isn't interfering or seeking to gain an advantage. A player in the goalmouth is. Sure the rules would be bent but there's no point in dishing out abuse to me just because you don't like the message 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: "Gaining an advantage" is when a player is literally in a position to take advantage of the ball coming off the keeper or the woodwork, neither of which happened on that occasion. The rule said 'seeking' to gain an advantage. Didn't mean that the advantage had to be taken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, Nowhereman said: You might think that the rules are bollocks and that's fair enough. But me quoting the rules to you isn't bollocks. That's what the rules used to say and either could be used as a reason for giving offside A player on the touchline who is in an offside position clearly isn't interfering or seeking to gain an advantage. A player in the goalmouth is. Sure the rules would be bent but there's no point in dishing out abuse to me just because you don't like the message Such wording was used to justify ridiculous decisions. It didn't demand or require them. It changed to prevent egotistical officials imposing injustice in service of themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Nowhereman said: The rule said 'seeking' to gain an advantage. Didn't mean that the advantage had to be taken The number of people who watch the game but don't understand the laws never ceases to amaze. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) On 06/01/2023 at 20:23, Flybhoy said: Jim Leishman with Dunfermline's Hungarian midfielder Istvan Kozma, the boy was a player and a half from what I remember and ended up at Liverpool, although he didn't fare too well down there and was a bit out of his depth, Graeme Souness brought him down to Anfield not long after leaving Rangers, one of a number of disastrous signings in his ill fated spell at Liverpool, along with the likes of Jimmy Carter, David Speedie, Julian Dicks and Torben Piechnik. Istvan Kozma with yours truly at the 2003 Budapest Burns Supper. Lovely guy, fondly remembered his time with big Leish. Edited February 25, 2023 by Lurkst 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 19 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: The number of people who watch the game but don't understand the laws never ceases to amaze. Maybe you could expand on that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Lurkst said: Istvan Kozma with yours truly at the 2003 Budapest Burns Supper. Lovely guy, fondly remembered his time with big Leish. Back in the day I was ecstatic listening to a Liverpool fan on the radio describing how Souness had destroyed Liverpool and the boot room culture ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: They weren't that happy four days earlier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, kingjoey said: They weren't that happy four days earlier Says something about the strength of Scottish football in general then that Celtic could reach a second European Cup final in three years, beating the Champions of England in the semis and Aberdeen, a pre Fergie Aberdeen could beat them that same week in the Scottish Cup final. Although before I was born I have heard more than a few tales of an absolutely horrendous refereeing performance that day, Celtic had a perfectly good goal chopped off, a stonewall penalty denied and one of Aberdeen's goals shouldn't have stood but hey, before my time just going on what I've read -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: Says something about the strength of Scottish football in general then that Celtic could reach a second European Cup final in three years, beating the Champions of England in the semis and Aberdeen, a pre Fergie Aberdeen could beat them that same week in the Scottish Cup final. Although before I was born I have heard more than a few tales of an absolutely horrendous refereeing performance that day, Celtic had a perfectly good goal chopped off, a stonewall penalty denied and one of Aberdeen's goals shouldn't have stood but hey, before my time just going on what I've read Always cheated, never defeated... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: Although before I was born I have heard more than a few tales of an absolutely horrendous refereeing performance that day, Celtic had a perfectly good goal chopped off, a stonewall penalty denied and one of Aberdeen's goals shouldn't have stood but hey, before my time just going on what I've read Michael Kelly still brings up that game as evidence of institutional bias against Celtic (conveniently ignoring the 25 plus trophies won in the decade either side of it). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Mention of Elmwood in another thread reminded me of Joe Tront who played for Mooroolbark in the first season of the National Soccer League. They finished bottom with 15 points. He played in 13 games scoring 7 goals. The NSL top scorer with 16 goals was one John “Dixie” Deans of Adelaide City. Tront, Josef Date of Birth: 13-Nov-1952, Scotland Position: Centre Forward Playing Record 1971/2 - Dundee Elmwood (Scotland) 1971/2 - Raith Rovers (Scotland 2) 2 app + 2 sub. 0 gls. 1972/3 - St. Andrews United (Scotland) 1973/4 - Dundee Osborne (Scotland) 1974/5 - Forfar Athletic (Scotland 2) 8 app + 1 sub. 0 gls. 1975/6 - Forfar Athletic (Scotland 2) 24 app + 0 sub. 2 gls. 1977 - Mooroolbark (NSL) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie84 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 24/02/2023 at 05:00, Flybhoy said: Scotland squad for the 1986 World Cup in Mexico wearing some pretty awful suits, I had no idea Arthur Albiston was such a short arse. Those trousers are so ill fitting and baggy they make Jim Leighton’s legs look straight. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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