A Photographic History Of Scottish Football

[Drew Brees]

Tennent Caledonian Cup at Ibrox. Rangers, Kilmarnock, West Ham and Brighton in 1979.  Winners were Kilmarnock.

[Theatom]

4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

Read all about the post season tour of Northern Spain here.

http://stmirren.info/id35.html

That’s what I said….

[Dundee Hibernian]

21 hours ago, Willie adie said:

Is this not the cup that confirm st  mirren were the first UK club to win a European trophy,?

Surely West Auckland FC were the first UK club to do so, in 1909 and repeating the feat in 1911, winning the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy?

And reflecting the point about nicknames, some of their players were Bob 'Drol' Moore, Andy 'Chips' Appleby and the best of all, Charles 'Dirty' Hogg.

The feats were dramatised in 1982 film 'A Captain's Tale' starring Dennis Waterman, Andrew Keir and Tim Healy (as Charles 'Dirty' Hogg).

It's on YouTube>

 

[Bogbrush1903]

4 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

Surely West Auckland FC were the first UK club to do so, in 1909 and repeating the feat in 1911, winning the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy?

And reflecting the point about nicknames, some of their players were Bob 'Drol' Moore, Andy 'Chips' Appleby and the best of all, Charles 'Dirty' Hogg.

The feats were dramatised in 1982 film 'A Captain's Tale' starring Dennis Waterman, Andrew Keir and Tim Healy (as Charles 'Dirty' Hogg).

It's on YouTube>

 

I was nearly at West Auckland in August as they or North Shields were to play winners of Penrith vs Guisborough in FA Cup Qualifying . However North Shields beat them and I landed there...

I was going to do my homework if they won by watching the above with Waterman. I'll have to give it a watch anyway.

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by Bogbrush1903

[Bogbrush1903]

7 hours ago, Drew Brees said:

Tennent Caledonian Cup at Ibrox. Rangers, Kilmarnock, West Ham and Brighton in 1979.  Winners were Kilmarnock.

Where's the Brighton girl? 

Fat corporate Johnstone, answer to the finest football quiz question*, Ally Mauchlen?, Chris Cattlin?

*If Sunderland did it in 1979, and Villa in 1981, who did it 1980?

Edited November 10, 2021 by Bogbrush1903

[Eednud]

5 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

Surely West Auckland FC were the first UK club to do so, in 1909 and repeating the feat in 1911, winning the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy?

Don’t forget Renton were the first World Champions beating West Bromwich Albion 4-1 in 1888.

 

[PauloPerth]

7 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Where's the Brighton girl? 

Fat corporate Johnstone, answer to the finest football quiz question*, Ally Mauchlen?, Chris Cattlin?

*If Sunderland did it in 1979, and Villa in 1981, who did it 1980?

A personal favourite. Spoiler - Answer 

Spoiler

Trevor Brooking.

Alan Sunderland scored the winning goal in the 79 FA Cup Final for Arsenal, Ricky Villa in 1981 for Spurs. Trevor Brooking scored the winner for West Ham in 1980.

 

[hk blues]

20 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

So, my understanding is, that although the grounds reside in the Coldside ward, they don't actually belong to any of the 31 districts mentioned by @hk blues

Pretty much - there are 8 wards in Dundee, including Coldside, and then 31 districts.

[House Bartender]

The subject of Rangers management is in the air today, I'm told.

From the old days, here's Scott Symon (centre) discussing the prospects of playing at Victoria Park in February 1967 amid a blizzard. The soft southerners influenced the ref as usual and the game was called off.

[Charles Stiles]

13 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

Where's the Brighton girl? 

Fat corporate Johnstone, answer to the finest football quiz question*, Ally Mauchlen?, Chris Cattlin?

*If Sunderland did it in 1979, and Villa in 1981, who did it 1980?

It'd be one of the finest if it worked both verbally and written but it's only really works when written. 

[HibeeJibee]

Today is of course Armistice Day marking the day in 1918 that WWI ended... Interestingly enough on VE Day in 1945 when WWII ended in Europe there were a number of impromptu matches organised to take advantage of the public holiday:

Victory in Europe Cup                       Celtic 1-1 Queen's Park                                      [Celtic won on corners]                        (at Hampden)
Rosebery Charity Cup                       Hibs 2-2 Hearts                                (15,252)     [Hibs won 7-6 on corners]
Forfarshire Cup SF 2nd leg             Dundee United 1-2 Dundee     (10,000)     [Dundee won 4-2 on aggregate]

Unsurprisingly details are quite sketchy - short notice, general hullabaloo, and the limited size newspapers at the time having the main news to report - so there may have been other games. Several were arranged in England such as Brentford v West Ham, Charlton v Millwall, Darlington v Middlesbrough, Newcastle v Sunderland, Sheffield Wed v Sheffield Utd, Stoke v Port Vale and Tranmere v Everton.

Before the VE Cup game at Hampden a brief service of thanksgiving was held. SFA AGM due that day got cancelled. However in Kirkcaldy magistrates fined 3 boys 5 shillings each for playing football on the street by West Esplanade Quarry... that seems pretty harsh.

Here's the VE Cup:



Rangers were invited to face Celtic but declined, to better prepare for upcoming Southern League Cup Final v Motherwell.

Edited November 11, 2021 by HibeeJibee

[Boghead ranter]

On 10/11/2021 at 15:57, Drew Brees said:

Tennent Caledonian Cup at Ibrox. Rangers, Kilmarnock, West Ham and Brighton in 1979.  Winners were Kilmarnock.

Big John Bourke

[Dundee Hibernian]

Maurice Johnston signing for the only club he ever wanted to play for, Melchester Rovers.

[Ewan8472]

On 10/11/2021 at 18:23, Dundee Hibernian said:

Surely West Auckland FC were the first UK club to do so, in 1909 and repeating the feat in 1911, winning the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy?

And reflecting the point about nicknames, some of their players were Bob 'Drol' Moore, Andy 'Chips' Appleby and the best of all, Charles 'Dirty' Hogg.

The feats were dramatised in 1982 film 'A Captain's Tale' starring Dennis Waterman, Andrew Keir and Tim Healy (as Charles 'Dirty' Hogg).

It's on YouTube>

 

Baddiel and Skinner lies !

[Ewan8472]

On 10/11/2021 at 10:09, Charles Stiles said:

The Aberdeen one is flexible. It's a charity shield/glorified friendly when engaging with Dons fans. It's major European trophy making them the only Scottish club with two European trophies when the the bigot brothers are involved. 

Three European trophies !

[Bogbrush1903]

7 hours ago, Charles Stiles said:

It'd be one of the finest if it worked both verbally and written but it's only really works when written. 

Ach, a little corruption of the Ricky Villa's name, it still works verbally...

[lionel wickson]

10 hours ago, House Bartender said:

The subject of Rangers management is in the air today, I'm told.

From the old days, here's Scott Symon (centre) discussing the prospects of playing at Victoria Park in February 1967 amid a blizzard. The soft southerners influenced the ref as usual and the game was called off.

Think the year may be wrong, as there was only one Scottish Cup tie involving  a Rangers in Februray 1967 and that was at Easter Road. I'm guessing the photo was taken in 1966?

[Bully Wee Villa]

22 hours ago, Eednud said:

Don’t forget Renton were the first World Champions beating West Bromwich Albion 4-1 in 1888.

 

Pretty sure FA Cup winners Villa beat Scottish Cup Winners Hibs the year before. There may have been earlier examples. Would imagine QP must have had a claim to being world champions at some point.

[HibeeJibee]

53 minutes ago, Small Bovine Maisonette said:

Pretty sure FA Cup winners Villa beat Scottish Cup Winners Hibs the year before. There may have been earlier examples. Would imagine QP must have had a claim to being world champions at some point.

I think Renton's fame was down to them actively promoting this game as the 'World Championship' plus there being a trophy put up for it which survives:



There is a list on Wikipedia suggesting that Queen's Park, Vale of Leven, Dumbarton and Hibs all played games against the equivalent cup holder from down south in earlier years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_World_Championship#Summary

On top of that it's also a myth that this amounted to a 'world championship' by merit of only the Scottish and English cups existing at the time: both the Welsh and Irish cups were underway by the early 1880s and the Durand Cup for India had also began the previous season although granted in those days that would have meant a considerable voyage by steamer!

It's also clear the match didn't exactly set the heather alight at the time... a crowd of 6,000 saw Renton v WBA at Hampden compared to 15,000 who saw the Scottish Cup Final there a few months before (on a day with more alternative matches in Glasgow); 10,000 who saw Scotland v England there a couple of months before; and so on - even comparatively unattractive Scotland v Wales on the unusual territory of Hibernian Park in Leith drew 8,000 earlier in the year. It's built-up a legend over time IMO.

EDIT: In that respect another interesting gauge is that 7 days earlier (also at Hampden) there were 5,000 at the Glasgow Charity Cup Final for Renton v Cambuslang; and earlier in season (again at Hampden) were 10,000 at the Glasgow Cup Final for Cambuslang v Rangers.

EDIT AGAIN: this is Second Hampden, later New Cathkin, btw.

Edited November 11, 2021 by HibeeJibee

[Eednud]

3 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

I think Renton's fame was down to them actively promoting this game as the 'World Championship' plus there being a trophy put up for it which survives:



There is a list on Wikipedia suggesting that Queen's Park, Vale of Leven and Hibs had all played games against the equivalent cup holder from down south in earlier years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_World_Championship#Summary

On top of that it's also a myth that this amounted to a 'world championship' by merit of only the Scottish and English cups existing at the time: both the Welsh and Irish cups were underway by the early 1880s and the Durand Cup for India had also began the previous season although granted in those days that would have meant a considerable voyage by steamer!

It's also clear the match didn't exactly set the heather alight at the time... a crowd of 6,000 saw Renton v WBA at Hampden compared to 15,000 who saw the Scottish Cup Final there a few months before (on a day with more alternative matches in Glasgow); 10,000 who saw Scotland v England there a couple of months before; and so on - even Scotland v Wales in the unusual territory of Hibernain park Edinburgh drew 8,000 earlier in the year. It's built up a legend.

https://playupliverpool.com/1888/05/19/renton-v-west-bromwich-4-1-friendly-may-19-1888/