Dundee Hibernian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, kingjoey said: Has the Fair Play Stand been renamed the Jim McLean Stand? I didn’t know that. Aye, about ten years since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Cathkin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Aye, about ten years since. Bloody hell. I’ve sat in it and walked past it so many times in the last ten years, and I still thought it was called the Fair Play Stand. I’m gettin’ auld. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Cathkin. Sad photo. Didn't realise it was allowed to get so derelict before demolition, what a waste 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Sad photo. Didn't realise it was allowed to get so derelict before demolition, what a waste I suspect maintanence had been minimal during the last years and months, plus assume there was a then lot of vandalism. These colour shots demonstrate how quickly it deteriorated from its heyday: (This next image is clearly the wrong way around): Startling to think the terrace cover only went up in 1962: 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Incidentally... loving the matching blue tracksuits, and red woolly hats with white bobbles, the ballboys are sporting. Btw - you can tell from the 'keepers the photographer evidently switched ends before HT. Notice also the referee has taken-up position on the goal-line for the corner. Edited October 19, 2021 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Totally collapsed over the course of 4 seasons. In the relegation season of 64/65 they lost 21 league games on the trot. The Dons have a wee bit to go yet, then... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: Totally collapsed over the course of 4 seasons. In the relegation season of 64/65 they lost 21 league games on the trot. The Dons have a wee bit to go yet, then... They'd reached the League Cup Final in 1960... finished 3rd in league in 1961, qualifying for the Anglo-Franco-Scottish Friendship Cup, where they played Rouen... and won the Glasgow Cup in 1963 (still a big tournament then)... then got relegated in 1965 and were bust 2yrs later. However you interpret theories of them being deliberately rundown: it was a spectacular, catastrophic demise. They'd installed floodlights in 1959 - before Hampden - and as noted covered the side terrace in 1962. Their average crowd went from 12,000 in 1958 and a similar 11,000 in 1961 down to 4,700 in 1964 and then a dire 700 in 1967. No club could lose 94% of their attendance in the space of just a few seasons without almost certainly facing terrible difficulties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: They'd reached the League Cup Final in 1960... finished 3rd in league in 1961, qualifying for the Anglo-Franco-Scottish Friendship Cup, where they played Rouen... and won the Glasgow Cup in 1963 (still a big tournament then)... then got relegated in 1965 and were bust 2yrs later. However you interpret theories of them being deliberately rundown: it was a spectacular, catastrophic demise. They'd installed floodlights in 1959 - before Hampden - and as noted covered the side terrace in 1962. Their average crowd went from 12,000 in 1958 and a similar 11,000 in 1961 down to 4,700 in 1964 and then a dire 700 in 1967. No club could lose 94% of their attendance in the space of just a few seasons without almost certainly facing terrible difficulties. Beat Celtic in the final. As I posted before, 4 years later Thirds went bust and Celtic won the European Cup 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: Their average crowd went from 12,000 in 1958 and a similar 11,000 in 1961 down to 4,700 in 1964 and then a dire 700 in 1967. No club could lose 94% of their attendance in the space of just a few seasons without almost certainly facing terrible difficulties. That is an astonishing decline! I know the trend in attendances was downward throughout the 1960s with most clubs, but I wonder why Thirds suffered so badly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lurkst said: That is an astonishing decline! I know the trend in attendances was downward throughout the 1960s with most clubs, but I wonder why Thirds suffered so badly? They would have got a couple of 25,000 attendances when Rangers and Celtic came calling, boosting their average by 3,000 per game. They obviously didn't get that in Division 2. However, it is still a phenomenal drop from 1958 to 1964. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Lurkst said: That is an astonishing decline! I know the trend in attendances was downward throughout the 1960s with most clubs, but I wonder why Thirds suffered so badly? 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: They would have got a couple of 25,000 attendances when Rangers and Celtic came calling, boosting their average by 3,000 per game. They obviously didn't get that in Division 2. However, it is still a phenomenal drop from 1958 to 1964. Rangers was their only really massive draw. Here are their crowds for those 4 seasons grouped into thousands/hundreds (rounded up). 1957-58 36,000 v Rangers 24,000 v Celtic 19,000 v Hearts 15,000 v Clyde 14,000 v St Mirren 12,000 v Kilmarnock; Partick 10,000 v Queen's Park; Motherwell; Raith 9,000 v Aberdeen 8,000 v Dundee; QotS 7,000 v East Fife; Hibs 6,000 v Airdrie 4,000 v Falkirk 1960-61 33,000 v Rangers 15,000 v Celtic; Motherwell 14,000 v St Mirren 12,000 v Clyde 10,000 v Airdrie; Dunfermline; St Johnstone; Ayr 9,000 v Raith; Hearts; Aberdeen; Kilmarnock 8,000 v Hibs 7,000 v Dundee Utd; Dundee 6,000 v Partick 1963-64 22,000 v Rangers 15,000 v Celtic 7,000 v Partick 6,000 v Dundee 5,000 v Hearts; Motherwell 4,000 v Kilmarnock; Hibs; Aberdeen 3,000 v QotS; Airdrie; St Johnstone; Dundee Utd; Falkirk; Dunfermline 2,000 v East Stirlingshire; St Mirren 1966-67 (Second Division) 2,700 v Morton 1,500 v Queen's Park 1,300 v Raith 1,200 v Hamilton 1,100 v Berwick 1,000 v Montrose; Albion Rovers 900 v Brechin 800 v Arbroath; Cowdenbeath; Dumbarton; Forfar 700 v East Stirlingshire; Stenhousemuir; Alloa; QotS 600 v East Fife; Clydebank 500 v Stranraer They basically went from drawing 5 figure crowds versus provincial sides in Division One to only barely drawing 4 figure crowds against almost everybody in Division Two. I've seen it ascribed to redevelopment of surrounding area; neutrals who went to Thirds top-tier games when their own clubs were away but wouldn't after relegation; eventual disenchantment; but none alone explains it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: 2,000 v East Stirlingshire; St Mirren. The St. Mirren Programmes site gives the attendance as 1555, it was a rearranged midweek game at the end of February. I can only believe the weather was horrendous as the previous TL v SM attendances were 7,127 (LC 11/08/62), 2,142 (05/04/63, another midweek rearranged, end-of-season league game), 7,811 (16/12/61), 14,000 (14/01/61), 20,893 (SC replay 28/02/61...St. Mirren's biggest ever away win), 15,000 (LC 22/08/59), 10,000 (06/01/60), 8,000 (20/12/58) and 13,000 (30/11/57). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: The St. Mirren Programmes site gives the attendance as 1555, it was a rearranged midweek game at the end of February. I can only believe the weather was horrendous It was arranged at short notice - played on Tuesday night having been postponed on Saturday due to snow. They had been due at Tynecastle the following night but it was put back a week. Incidentally it is given as 1,855 in Third Lanark history book... perhaps somebody had poor handwriting! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Firhill 1958 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Scotland players celebrate after a 1-0 win v England at Hampden in 1964. Att- 133,245. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Mike McEwan, who writes for the golf magazine Bunkered, has written a book about Third Lanark for anyone interested https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ghosts-Caithkin-Park-Lanarks-Extraordinary/dp/1909715980 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Albion Rovers bought the Cathkin Park stand seats and the boardroom sideboard when Thirds went bust. I don't know if the sideboard is still there but presumably the current wooden seats in the Cliftonhill Stand are the old Thirds seats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Drew Brees said: Scotland players celebrate after a 1-0 win v England at Hampden in 1964. Att- 133,245. Winner from Alan Gilzean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 hours ago, tamthebam said: Albion Rovers bought the Cathkin Park stand seats and the boardroom sideboard when Thirds went bust. I don't know if the sideboard is still there but presumably the current wooden seats in the Cliftonhill Stand are the old Thirds seats The stand is built with wood from the Ark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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