Stay Classy Sinn Fein

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

15 minutes ago, G51 said:

I live here, mate.

Top o the morning to ye

[John Lambies Doos]

I live here, mate.

Where?

[John Lambies Doos]

If there is a vote for a United Ireland (extremely unlikely) and its won (also unlikely) then the immediate future is a return to conflict. There’s absolutely no way that Loyalist paramilitaries will accept that outcome so it will get very messy.
As an aside, read a comment from Val McDermid this morning saying there will be a United Ireland in 5 years. Love Val, but an example of why those who know nothing about Irish politics are better just saying nothing 

Nobody is disputing that but@G51. was indicating that a border poll wouldn't pass in the south.. Of course it would, would easily garnish 60% support. Albeit many people in the south don't want a United Ireland due to economic reasons but definitely less than half.
As for loyalist paramilitaries, there will always be crack pots, even if 95% of people in North want it you will still get trouble. So we suspend democracy due to fringe loon balls?
No chance

[G51]

1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Nobody is disputing that but@G51. was indicating that a border poll wouldn't pass in the south.. Of course it would, would easily garnish 60% support. Albeit many people in the south don't want a United Ireland due to economic reasons but definitely less than half.
As for loyalist paramilitaries, there will always be crack pots, even if 95% of people in North want it you will still get trouble. So we suspend democracy due to fringe loon balls?
No chance

That's not what I said you dunce. Go read it again.

[John Lambies Doos]

That's not what I said you dunce. Go read it again.

You kinda did and there is no reason for the insults. I'll assume new poster naivety

[John Lambies Doos]

Democracy is effectively suspended or at least manipulated due to the conflict. That’s why there is power sharing and a Stormont which requires mandatory coalition rather than just normal democracy. . If you think that just because a majority vote for a United Ireland then unionists will just accept it and move on then you’re hugely mistaken. Folk didn’t move on here when Scotland voted to remain part of the UK so there’s no way that hardcore unionists will accept it in NI. And they  have guns and a belief that violence gets results. A very dangerous cocktail 

Like a say minority loons in both side but democracy is enshrined in GFA

[Clockwork]

You kinda did and there is no reason for the insults. I'll assume new poster naivety

Assuming you’re a long-term poster on this subject JLD, we can’t excuse your own naivety then?

[John Lambies Doos]

Assuming you’re a long-term poster on this subject JLD, we can’t excuse your own naivety then?

Pray tell?

[LongTimeLurker]

Think G51 is correct that the FF-FG Tweedledum and Tweedledee RoI elite will be in no rush to pressure the UK for a border poll rather than using the GFA to keep NI politics contained at arm's length from their 26 county state. Not sure I buy the idea that paramilitarism is such a threat in the present day though. There will still be plenty of very strong pro-Union sentiments, but a largely secular RoI embedded into the EU that is culturally and economically on par with the UK in most ways is not as problematic for Unionists as majoritarian Home Rule from Dublin in 1912 or the spectre of UI in the late 1960s after an Algerian style departure by British state institutions, so there are nothing like as likely to be people willing to risk their lives or do long prison terms over it. Think it speaks volumes that there has been so little heard from paramilitary groups over the prospect of the econonic border being mainly at Larne rather than Newry.

[btb]

Northern Ireland’s spiralling Covid-19 cases are due to the “failure of society as a whole”, the first minister has said.

Arlene Foster also singled out Sinn Fein for criticism, claiming the attendance of senior figures at IRA veteran Bobby Storey’s funeral in June, at a time when strict limits on numbers were in place, had damaged the public health messaging.

Her remarks came after Sinn Fein deputy first minister Michelle O’Neill accused the DUP of ignoring public health advice around lockdown decisions last month.

Foster said:

We do find ourselves in a particularly bad place, I very much regret that that is the case and it’s a failure of society as a whole that we have had to introduce these restrictions in the draconian way that they are coming in on Boxing night.

Last night we did take a very draconian decision, one which I never thought we would have to take. I very much regret the fact that we have had to take it, but we needed to take it and we’re facing a great deal of difficulty across Northern Ireland.

She said people needed to take personal responsibility for their actions in the time ahead. “We are facing very, very difficult times across Northern Ireland,” said the DUP leader.

Of course before the end of June last year compliance in Northern Ireland was very good and in fact we were the envy of other colleagues in the United Kingdom. But at the end of June, one party, Sinn Fein, decided whilst they made the laws they were also above the laws. And now we find ourselves in a situation where messaging is very difficult. We’ve seen a breakdown in compliance and I very, very much regret that to be the case.

[G51]

The situation is pretty serious in NI. They're already at the stage where hospitals are being overwhelmed and they haven't even locked down yet.

I cannot think of a government less equipped to deal with a pandemic than the Stormont Executive.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, G51 said:

The situation is pretty serious in NI. They're already at the stage where hospitals are being overwhelmed and they haven't even locked down yet.

I cannot think of a government less equipped to deal with a pandemic than the Stormont Executive.

They were in crisis mode last year weren't they? I remember hearing about massive waiting lists then and it being blamed on Stormont having no executive. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by welshbairn

[John Lambies Doos]

Really good to see ROI helping NI here. Signs of things to come

[Jacksgranda]

Edited December 19, 2020 by Jacksgranda

[gannonball]

Interesting claims that Sinn Fein and the Provos weren’t as hand in hand as made out..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55453601

[Academically Deficient]

On 27/12/2020 at 09:32, gannonball said:

Interesting claims that Sinn Fein and the Provos weren’t as hand in hand as made out..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55453601

Interesting article. They didn't like socialism apparently.

The ballot box and the armalite. Oh, and free market economics and light touch regulation while yer about it. 

[gannonball]

17 minutes ago, Academically Deficient said:

Interesting article. They didn't like socialism apparently.

The ballot box and the armalite. Oh, and free market economics and light touch regulation while yer about it. 

Im guessing the money coming over from America would have had some influence regarding this, I doubt they would have been wanted to have been seen to be funding a supposed socialist revolution. 

[Jacksgranda]

On 27/12/2020 at 09:32, gannonball said:

Interesting claims that Sinn Fein and the Provos weren’t as hand in hand as made out..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55453601

Not so "inextricably linked" after all, perhaps, at least back then anyway.

Strange that so many IRA men metamorphosised into "politicians".

[Academically Deficient]

35 minutes ago, gannonball said:

Im guessing the money coming over from America would have had some influence regarding this, I doubt they would have been wanted to have been seen to be funding a supposed socialist revolution. 

American money. Funding terrorism??

Surely not

[Jacksgranda]

5 minutes ago, Academically Deficient said:

American money. Funding terrorism??

Surely not

Terrorism only started in 2001...