RandomGuy. Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Why was the chef attacked? Completely random? Gallaghers friend had accused the victims son of chatting up his bird at a party at the hotel. Seemed to just spiral from there and Gallagher was part of a group who appeared to attack the parents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I don't see the issue to be honest. That baseball bat will come in handy against Russia....... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, sjc said: I don't see the issue to be honest. That baseball bat will come in handy against Russia....... A fine example of un-funny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 6 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Gallaghers friend had accused the victims son of chatting up his bird at a party at the hotel. Seemed to just spiral from there and Gallagher was part of a group who appeared to attack the parents. I remember after this first come out, there was an immediate statement that he was 'assisting police with their inquiries' etc. On social media, I don't think a lot of the support really got what that meant and seemed to think he'd been a great lad and the saviour of the incident. I'm pretty sure that he then had a piece done (from the Record IIRC) about how he stepped up to save the guy and that seemed to be it before he was abruptly released by Hartley (which was a massive shock - there was no footballing reason for that as he was miles above anyone else) a season later before the charging arrives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: On 08/10/2019 at 19:33, RandomGuy. said: Him and his mate jumped a chef and his wife outside a hotel with baseball bats. The chef got a fractured skull and internal bleeding, spent five days in intensive care, has lifelong issues with sight and headaches and required further surgery a few years after the incident as the wounds were so severe it couldnt all be done at the same time. Gallagher went to jail for 11 months, and was allowed to train with Raith during this time. He's never shown any remorse about the incident beyond regretting the impact it had on his own life. Why was the chef attacked? Completely random? Over cooked the steak -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 19:33, RandomGuy. said: Him and his mate jumped a chef and his wife outside a hotel with baseball bats. The chef got a fractured skull and internal bleeding, spent five days in intensive care, has lifelong issues with sight and headaches and required further surgery a few years after the incident as the wounds were so severe it couldnt all be done at the same time. Gallagher went to jail for 11 months, and was allowed to train with Raith during this time. He's never shown any remorse about the incident beyond regretting the impact it had on his own life. I assume you mean you've never read about it on the internet or you know the man personally? Because otherwise you couldn't possibly know if he's shown remorse or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Guy on STV claiming Clarke is considering Steven Caulker due to the problems in defence. Have to admit I was shocked to see he's only 27. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 17:47, BB_Bino said: About 6 years ago, I met Declan Gallagher in Prison when he was a prisoner on remand and awaiting sentencing. Although it’s been mentioned in other posts, I can’t remember the ins and outs of the incident, but ultimately his contract at Livingston FC had been terminated and he found himself behind bars, which despite what the media tell us, is somewhere you really don’t want to be. I worked in the gym in this prison and one Saturday, after finishing a workout, Declan was sitting on the cross-trainer watching the scores come in via Sky Sports News. He was devastated and spoke of how his life was in ruins and that he had let so many people down and he didn’t know how what he was going to do. I’d heard sob stories a million times over the years, but I could see (and hear) that what this lad was saying was true, and from the heart. I remember saying to him that his life was now at a crossroads, he could go on to be another young footballer who flew with the crows and was shot with the crows and he could continually do that, or he could do the best that he possibly could, to stay out of all the nonsense that goes on within prison and do his best to get his life back on track when he got out, but ultimately, learn by his experience and never take the position that he was is in, prior to the incident, for granted. He already knew that, I didn’t tell him anything he hadn’t heard a million times before, or that he hadn’t already told himself a million times. Over his time on Remand, Declan did everything he possibly could, to show that he was sorry for what had happened and actually, for the time I knew him, came across as a really good young lad with his head screwed on. He went to court after about a month of being in Remand, maybe slightly longer, and from memory the judge gave him a suspended sentence of a few years. Upon returning to society he was re-signed by Livingston FC, who were hugely criticised on social media and in the national media at the time and 3 years later he has been called up to the Scotland squad and has arguably been the best Defender in Scotland so far this season. So what can we take from this story?? I would say that ultimately, from the individual point of view, never think your life is over. No matter how dark it is or how bad it gets. We all make mistakes, some are huge and seem like the end of the world, others are not so, however if you have the right attitude and show remorse and prove to people you are a good person, then things can work out. You may not get back what you lost, but you can still have a happy ending and doors will open for you. Furthermore, be remorseful. I know from what Declan had said over his weeks in prison that he was, and I know from media reports that he did everything he could to apologise and make it up to the victim, who will probably never forget what happened, but also, never give up showing people and proving to people that you have learned from your mistake. From a society perspective, give people a second chance, if they are working hard to show they are sorry then they deserve that. You know when someone is a good person. If the people at Livingston FC had never allowed him a second chance, or any other club in Scotland, how would his life have ended up? It could have been a downward spiral for the lad that could have ended horribly. Good luck to Declan, it’s great see that he was sincere in what he was saying during this time and it’s great to see that he has managed to put that behind him and hopefully his career doesn’t end here and he he goes on to get more caps for the nation and maybe even go onto bigger things at club level. The only important people in this story are the chef and his wife , no one else 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 17:47, BB_Bino said: About 6 years ago, I met Declan Gallagher in Prison when he was a prisoner on remand and awaiting sentencing. Although it’s been mentioned in other posts, I can’t remember the ins and outs of the incident, but ultimately his contract at Livingston FC had been terminated and he found himself behind bars, which despite what the media tell us, is somewhere you really don’t want to be. I worked in the gym in this prison and one Saturday, after finishing a workout, Declan was sitting on the cross-trainer watching the scores come in via Sky Sports News. He was devastated and spoke of how his life was in ruins and that he had let so many people down and he didn’t know how what he was going to do. I’d heard sob stories a million times over the years, but I could see (and hear) that what this lad was saying was true, and from the heart. I remember saying to him that his life was now at a crossroads, he could go on to be another young footballer who flew with the crows and was shot with the crows and he could continually do that, or he could do the best that he possibly could, to stay out of all the nonsense that goes on within prison and do his best to get his life back on track when he got out, but ultimately, learn by his experience and never take the position that he was is in, prior to the incident, for granted. He already knew that, I didn’t tell him anything he hadn’t heard a million times before, or that he hadn’t already told himself a million times. Over his time on Remand, Declan did everything he possibly could, to show that he was sorry for what had happened and actually, for the time I knew him, came across as a really good young lad with his head screwed on. He went to court after about a month of being in Remand, maybe slightly longer, and from memory the judge gave him a suspended sentence of a few years. Upon returning to society he was re-signed by Livingston FC, who were hugely criticised on social media and in the national media at the time and 3 years later he has been called up to the Scotland squad and has arguably been the best Defender in Scotland so far this season. So what can we take from this story?? I would say that ultimately, from the individual point of view, never think your life is over. No matter how dark it is or how bad it gets. We all make mistakes, some are huge and seem like the end of the world, others are not so, however if you have the right attitude and show remorse and prove to people you are a good person, then things can work out. You may not get back what you lost, but you can still have a happy ending and doors will open for you. Furthermore, be remorseful. I know from what Declan had said over his weeks in prison that he was, and I know from media reports that he did everything he could to apologise and make it up to the victim, who will probably never forget what happened, but also, never give up showing people and proving to people that you have learned from your mistake. From a society perspective, give people a second chance, if they are working hard to show they are sorry then they deserve that. You know when someone is a good person. If the people at Livingston FC had never allowed him a second chance, or any other club in Scotland, how would his life have ended up? It could have been a downward spiral for the lad that could have ended horribly. Good luck to Declan, it’s great see that he was sincere in what he was saying during this time and it’s great to see that he has managed to put that behind him and hopefully his career doesn’t end here and he he goes on to get more caps for the nation and maybe even go onto bigger things at club level. This is a whole pile of birthday card pish. I could get the "he just made a mistake" stuff if he had run over someone while driving dangerously or even drunk or something along those lines. Even punching someone and it having more serious consequences than intended, I could understand. However, there is no way that any person who smashes someone's skull in with a baseball bat is anything other than a horrible scumbag of a person. That's not some out of character moment of madness, that's a premeditated attempt to kill or at the very least seriously hurt someone. Nobody who is capable of doing that can ever be described as a "good person", even if they're really remorseful about it. That's not the same as me saying that the guy shouldn't be allowed to resume his career, or even that he shouldn't be considered for Scotland. But let's not allow ourselves to brush this under the carpet as though it's some sort of minor misdemeanour where saying sorry makes everything better. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Poet of the Macabre said: I assume you mean you've never read about it on the internet or you know the man personally? Because otherwise you couldn't possibly know if he's shown remorse or not. In the media. Hes never once came out and publicly apologised. Hes had plenty of opportunities as there seems to be four or five articles where he talks about it after, but every single one is just him lamenting his bad luck at ending up in jail and losing a few months of his life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Harry Soutar scored for Australia [emoji102] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I think we can all agree that no matter what the lad Gallagher has done, making him play centre half for Scotland in Russia tonight is as draconian a punishment as you can get. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Moo said: Harry Soutar scored for Australia @Kuro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 17:47, BB_Bino said: So what can we take from this story?? That you have scant regard for disclosure rules. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 08/10/2019 at 17:47, BB_Bino said: About 6 years ago, I met Declan Gallagher in Prison when he was a prisoner on remand and awaiting sentencing. Although it’s been mentioned in other posts, I can’t remember the ins and outs of the incident, but ultimately his contract at Livingston FC had been terminated and he found himself behind bars, which despite what the media tell us, is somewhere you really don’t want to be. I worked in the gym in this prison and one Saturday, after finishing a workout, Declan was sitting on the cross-trainer watching the scores come in via Sky Sports News. He was devastated and spoke of how his life was in ruins and that he had let so many people down and he didn’t know how what he was going to do. I’d heard sob stories a million times over the years, but I could see (and hear) that what this lad was saying was true, and from the heart. I remember saying to him that his life was now at a crossroads, he could go on to be another young footballer who flew with the crows and was shot with the crows and he could continually do that, or he could do the best that he possibly could, to stay out of all the nonsense that goes on within prison and do his best to get his life back on track when he got out, but ultimately, learn by his experience and never take the position that he was is in, prior to the incident, for granted. He already knew that, I didn’t tell him anything he hadn’t heard a million times before, or that he hadn’t already told himself a million times. Over his time on Remand, Declan did everything he possibly could, to show that he was sorry for what had happened and actually, for the time I knew him, came across as a really good young lad with his head screwed on. He went to court after about a month of being in Remand, maybe slightly longer, and from memory the judge gave him a suspended sentence of a few years. Upon returning to society he was re-signed by Livingston FC, who were hugely criticised on social media and in the national media at the time and 3 years later he has been called up to the Scotland squad and has arguably been the best Defender in Scotland so far this season. So what can we take from this story?? I would say that ultimately, from the individual point of view, never think your life is over. No matter how dark it is or how bad it gets. We all make mistakes, some are huge and seem like the end of the world, others are not so, however if you have the right attitude and show remorse and prove to people you are a good person, then things can work out. You may not get back what you lost, but you can still have a happy ending and doors will open for you. Furthermore, be remorseful. I know from what Declan had said over his weeks in prison that he was, and I know from media reports that he did everything he could to apologise and make it up to the victim, who will probably never forget what happened, but also, never give up showing people and proving to people that you have learned from your mistake. From a society perspective, give people a second chance, if they are working hard to show they are sorry then they deserve that. You know when someone is a good person. If the people at Livingston FC had never allowed him a second chance, or any other club in Scotland, how would his life have ended up? It could have been a downward spiral for the lad that could have ended horribly. Good luck to Declan, it’s great see that he was sincere in what he was saying during this time and it’s great to see that he has managed to put that behind him and hopefully his career doesn’t end here and he he goes on to get more caps for the nation and maybe even go onto bigger things at club level. Credit to you for taking the time out of your day to speak to the guy like you did. It just might've been the difference between him turning his life around for the better or becoming a regular at the gym. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Devlin should be nowhere near the squad on recent form yet here he is looking solid enough for Scotland. Football never ceases to amaze me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Aye solid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) On 09/10/2019 at 22:14, craigkillie said: This is a whole pile of birthday card pish. I could get the "he just made a mistake" stuff if he had run over someone while driving dangerously or even drunk or something along those lines. Even punching someone and it having more serious consequences than intended, I could understand. However, there is no way that any person who smashes someone's skull in with a baseball bat is anything other than a horrible scumbag of a person. That's not some out of character moment of madness, that's a premeditated attempt to kill or at the very least seriously hurt someone. Nobody who is capable of doing that can ever be described as a "good person", even if they're really remorseful about it. That's not the same as me saying that the guy shouldn't be allowed to resume his career, or even that he shouldn't be considered for Scotland. But let's not allow ourselves to brush this under the carpet as though it's some sort of minor misdemeanour where saying sorry makes everything better. Wait - hit someone with a baseball bat is scummy behaviour but never is drink driving "just a mistake". There is never an excuse to get behind a wheel of a car drunk. Edited October 11, 2019 by Antiochas III 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker2 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Planning on taking my son to his first game on Sunday am driving from the east any recommendations as to where is the best place to park? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, baker2 said: Planning on taking my son to his first game on Sunday am driving from the east any recommendations as to where is the best place to park? If they use the are behind ASDA still then literally off the motorway junction there is a car park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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