tamthebam Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 12:32, Dev said: Clearly Rosyth were ill-advised to leave their ground without the new one being ready for them to move into straight away. Sadly there are many examples of clubs being taken to the cleaners in this way or similar ways over the years elsewhere. I wonder if they received appropriate advice from their legal advisers before they handed back the lease? A chap I used to work with who is involved with the club said Rosyth were promised all kinds of shite by the local councillor. The squeeze was also being put on them to move apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_Wee_Jag Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 A chap I used to work with who is involved with the club said Rosyth were promised all kinds of shite by the local councillor. The squeeze was also being put on them to move apparently.Never, ever believe ANYTHING that a councillor or council tell you. Get it in black and white and signed off by the club lawyers as legally binding. Penicuik, Edinburgh City and Dunbar will testify to that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 12 hours ago, tamthebam said: A chap I used to work with who is involved with the club said Rosyth were promised all kinds of shite by the local councillor. The squeeze was also being put on them to move apparently. It's a lesson for all clubs in this position to make sure any contract they sign only comes into effect when the referee blows the whistle to kick off the game that marks the opening of the new park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, Ali_Wee_Jag said: Never, ever believe ANYTHING that a councillor or council tell you. Get it in black and white and signed off by the club lawyers as legally binding. Penicuik, Edinburgh City and Dunbar will testify to that. This, and not just in football or planning, it's about absolutely everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Fife council should take a leaf out of Aberdeenshire Council's book. When Tesco bought the site of Deveronside's Canal Park in Banff, the council negotiated for them to build a new sports centre in Macduff. Then Tesco decided they weren't building the supermarket but the council made them build the Myrus Centre anyway, Deveronside have new facilities and there's still a pitch on the Canal Park! https://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/deveronside.htm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos99 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 hours ago, Cyclizine said: Fife council should take a leaf out of Aberdeenshire Council's book. When Tesco bought the site of Deveronside's Canal Park in Banff, the council negotiated for them to build a new sports centre in Macduff. Then Tesco decided they weren't building the supermarket but the council made them build the Myrus Centre anyway, Deveronside have new facilities and there's still a pitch on the Canal Park! https://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/deveronside.htm Beautiful park 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Rosyth had no choice - Fife Council terminated the lease of Recreation Park once the planning permission was granted for a supermarket utilising the land. Promises were made verbally but not kept. (Yes, I know. I'm a lawyer and you don't need to tell me about getting things in writing.) A planning condition imposed on the developer said that the developers had to enter a legally binding agreement with the Council involving provision of a replacement pitch. This has never happened. To be fair to the local Counclllors they know the club has been shafted and, regardless of party affiliation, have all supported a motion calling on the Council and the developers to provide the ground before the supermarket can be built. The club is pushing hard for a solution. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, Dunfermline Jag said: Rosyth had no choice - Fife Council terminated the lease of Recreation Park once the planning permission was granted for a supermarket utilising the land. Promises were made verbally but not kept. (Yes, I know. I'm a lawyer and you don't need to tell me about getting things in writing.) A planning condition imposed on the developer said that the developers had to enter a legally binding agreement with the Council involving provision of a replacement pitch. This has never happened. To be fair to the local Counclllors they know the club has been shafted and, regardless of party affiliation, have all supported a motion calling on the Council and the developers to provide the ground before the supermarket can be built. The club is pushing hard for a solution. Has the supermarket been built yet or has work started on it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, Dev said: Has the supermarket been built yet or has work started on it? They arent allowed to start it. The pub got demolished because of vandalism 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Dunfermline Jag said: Rosyth had no choice - Fife Council terminated the lease of Recreation Park once the planning permission was granted for a supermarket utilising the land. Promises were made verbally but not kept. (Yes, I know. I'm a lawyer and you don't need to tell me about getting things in writing.) A planning condition imposed on the developer said that the developers had to enter a legally binding agreement with the Council involving provision of a replacement pitch. This has never happened. To be fair to the local Counclllors they know the club has been shafted and, regardless of party affiliation, have all supported a motion calling on the Council and the developers to provide the ground before the supermarket can be built. The club is pushing hard for a solution. If construction hasn't started is there a set date when the planning consent expires? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 23 hours ago, Dev said: Has the supermarket been built yet or has work started on it? Not yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 20 hours ago, Dev said: If construction hasn't started is there a set date when the planning consent expires? Yes, but there was an amendment to the application last year and I think that extends the planning permission for 3 years. I am not a planning lawyer so I am not 100% sure on this. I also heard it suggested that if some prep work had been done at the site (and I think it has) that would be enough to satisfy the time limit. Either way I am pretty sure that the planning permission is not about to expire. Of more concern to Rosyth is that their current ground doesn't meet EOS requirements as it stands and they need to demonstrate some progress towards meeting the criteria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Dunfermline Jag said: Yes, but there was an amendment to the application last year and I think that extends the planning permission for 3 years. I am not a planning lawyer so I am not 100% sure on this. I also heard it suggested that if some prep work had been done at the site (and I think it has) that would be enough to satisfy the time limit. Either way I am pretty sure that the planning permission is not about to expire. Of more concern to Rosyth is that their current ground doesn't meet EOS requirements as it stands and they need to demonstrate some progress towards meeting the criteria. If u go on fife council website the current planning permission was only passed on november 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 22/03/2021 at 13:13, Dunfermline Jag said: Rosyth had no choice - Fife Council terminated the lease of Recreation Park once the planning permission was granted for a supermarket utilising the land. Promises were made verbally but not kept. (Yes, I know. I'm a lawyer and you don't need to tell me about getting things in writing.) A planning condition imposed on the developer said that the developers had to enter a legally binding agreement with the Council involving provision of a replacement pitch. This has never happened. To be fair to the local Counclllors they know the club has been shafted and, regardless of party affiliation, have all supported a motion calling on the Council and the developers to provide the ground before the supermarket can be built. The club is pushing hard for a solution. As a lawyer, you should know what "verbally" means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Jag Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: If u go on fife council website the current planning permission was only passed on november 2020 That was the amendment. The original permission dated from April 2018. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dunfermline Jag said: That was the amendment. The original permission dated from April 2018. Yea but surely it will start from the amendment date 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malty Guy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 08:03, Pyramidic said: Unfair treatment of Rosyth https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/19167206.rosyth-fc-must-given-home-work-starts-lidl-supermarket/ Was talking to a Rosyth fan at the weekend. He was telling me that the Club had 100’s of young kids attached. And that they were only camping out at the Fleets until their own ground issue got resolved. not nice when you don’t get what you were expecting,,,, Lesson to be learned for all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Malty Guy said: Was talking to a Rosyth fan at the weekend. He was telling me that the Club had 100’s of young kids attached. And that they were only camping out at the Fleets until their own ground issue got resolved. not nice when you don’t get what you were expecting,,,, Lesson to be learned for all It was the fleet grounds that was supposed to have a new grass pitch changing rooms etc. Theyd aswell just move back to recreation park 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 10:01, AlanCamelonfan said: Council mucking around. I dont k how why they dont get the developer to upgrade the fleet grounds Its owned by south west Fife Trust. Although although Rosyth are primary users they don't have authority to take full control. Not to say they couldn't get a formal lease and develop it bit that's why they can't as it stands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Swifty said: Its owned by south west Fife Trust. Although although Rosyth are primary users they don't have authority to take full control. Not to say they couldn't get a formal lease and develop it bit that's why they can't as it stands. But that was what the original proposal was. To put a grass pitch their 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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