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Richey Edwards

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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

'The people of Scotland' have had 15 years of ScotchNattery and it has been absolutely bloody.  Everything they have touched has been rancid.

Now I'm not a royalist - unlike Nippy, Quine o' Scots - but one thing recent history tells me is that you can trust 'the people of Scotland' with f**k all.

You'll be applying for the role of Governor General then...

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4 minutes ago, btb said:

You'll be applying for the role of Governor General then...

Since we're one nation from Thurso to Truro my chances of being 'Governor General' of Scotchland are limited.

I know I'd be a popular choice, though...

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I think this thread has descended into chaos.  I thought it was all about axing the Monarchy.  It says so in the title.

Instead you are squabbling about other things.

Honestly have you never organised a revolution before?

I am seriously disappointed.

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44 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

I think this thread has descended into chaos.  I thought it was all about axing the Monarchy.  It says so in the title.

Instead you are squabbling about other things.

Honestly have you never organised a revolution before?

I am seriously disappointed.

Agreed. I've wiped a load of them out. Please stick to the topic, not personal attacks. 

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On 04/06/2022 at 10:05, coprolite said:

Aethelstan has been called the first king of Britain. He had the kings of Alba, Strathclyde and Northumberland (covering modern mainland Scotland) wales and parts of Ireland give him fealty.

Although if i remember rightly the scots king basically just said he would accept overlordship, then completely ignored it in practice. 

For a "british" monarchy, not a bad place to start the clock, i suppose. 

 

As part of a settlement in the less than 2 years between Brunaburh and his death. He was in no sense ever king of these territories. 

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Not so up  to date with social media shite.  From what I can gather this was the crowd for the recent AUOB parade:

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In contrast, only a few dafties turned up to celebrate her Maj's jubilee: - but at least they said 'Yes' to her.

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8 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Not so up  to date with social media shite.  From what I can gather this was the crowd for the recent AUOB parade:

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In contrast, only a few dafties turned up to celebrate her Maj's jubilee: - but at least they said 'Yes' to her.

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Everyone wearing a mask, "x" marks on the floor. 

 

 

Almost like this photo was taken during a pandemic and people are social distancing within it. 

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9 hours ago, invergowrie arab said:

As part of a settlement in the less than 2 years between Brunaburh and his death. He was in no sense ever king of these territories. 

No. Constantine had accepted Aethelstan as overlord/overking a good ten years before he invaded what was then Scotland. 

I guess you could view him as more of an emperor than a king. I suppose it depends how you define "king" but to say "he was in no sense ever king" is a bit strong. The feudal pecking order stopped at him, above the nominal king of the Scots. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Was my “I have zero respect for anyone” not clear enough for you? 

Evidently it wasn't something I really believed. 

I've never seen a celtc fan say they've zero respect for players like Paul McStay, Danny McGrain and Billy McNeil. 

Let alone this guy...

 

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1 hour ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Evidently it wasn't something I really believed. 

I've never seen a celtc fan say they've zero respect for players like Paul McStay, Danny McGrain and Billy McNeil. 

Let alone this guy...

 

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Was that the only reason you asked me that question so you could post this?

I don’t see everything through the prism of football. 

Im not a weirdo 

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2 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Was that the only reason you asked me that question so you could post this?

I don’t see everything through the prism of football. 

Im not a weirdo 

Well yeah, it seemed quite a wild statement from yourself so I thought I'd clarify.

Just for ultimate clarity though you have zero respect for those celtc players? 

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20 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:

They always have been. Is this really news to anyone?

Hmmm...is this really the case though? Does anyone really know? 

Unfortunately we live in a country -bizarrely - where the established opinion is such that wishing a democratically elected Head of State is seen as completely radical.

The SNP perhaps do not take a clear position on the Monarchy because it softens the overall picture of having another position which is seen as radical - Scottish Independence. It can then allow the SNP a broader appeal to those who are unnerved by 'radical' concepts.

Hopefully, of course, in an independent Scotland there would be a loud voice to sever all ties with the Monarchy - which I think would be best replaced by a fixed term (10 years?) democratically elected figurehead/ceremonial Head of State position.

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12 minutes ago, milhouse said:

Hmmm...is this really the case though? Does anyone really know? 

Unfortunately we live in a country -bizarrely - where the established opinion is such that wishing a democratically elected Head of State is seen as completely radical.

The SNP perhaps do not take a clear position on the Monarchy because it softens the overall picture of having another position which is seen as radical - Scottish Independence. It can then allow the SNP a broader appeal to those who are unnerved by 'radical' concepts.

Hopefully, of course, in an independent Scotland there would be a loud voice to sever all ties with the Monarchy - which I think would be best replaced by a fixed term (10 years?) democratically elected figurehead/ceremonial Head of State position.

This is exactly it. The Nats are just playing the game here. They're also a broad church and there will be a wide consensus within the party regarding the royals. They're not a socialist party.

Post indy there will be a call for a referendum on the royal family. It's not a battle that needs to be fought before there are the powers to do so. 

I'm quite sanguine about people accepting honours and don't particularly see it as some kind of class betrayal. 

 

 

 

 

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Do Sweden still choose a random Swede every week to run the country's official twitter? Independent Scotland should do that but, as well as running the twitter account, ye also get to be head of state. If ye run the twitter while parliament is sitting you get to put one law into parliament for them to vote on.

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9 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Do Sweden still choose a random Swede every week to run the country's official twitter? Independent Scotland should do that but, as well as running the twitter account, ye also get to be head of state. If ye run the twitter while parliament is sitting you get to put one law into parliament for them to vote on.

San Marino elect two new heads of state every six months. I'm no mathematician, but in a country with a population of 34,000, that means everyone is guaranteed a stint in charge.

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