The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I have never understood why this crime provokes such a vitriolic reaction. People get more upset about this than they do about people like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting. When you compare and contrast you have on the one hand, two children who at that age couldn't have possibly comprehended the heinous nature of the crime they committed because they were, you know, children. On the other you have adult men who are abducting kids and murdering them for sexual gratification. Surely you would think that Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley would be higher on the 'evil scale' but that doesn't seem to be the case. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 minute ago, The Equalizer said: I have never understood why this crime provokes such a vitriolic reaction. People get more upset about this than they do about people like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting. When you compare and contrast you have on the one hand, two children who at that age couldn't have possibly comprehended the heinous nature of the crime they committed because they were, you know, children. On the other you have adult men who are abducting kids and murdering them for sexual gratification. Surely you would think that Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley would be higher on the 'evil scale' but that doesn't seem to be the case. Far too sensible a post. For shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just now, Granny Danger said: Far too sensible a post. For shame. Apologies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: I have never understood why this crime provokes such a vitriolic reaction. People get more upset about this than they do about people like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting. When you compare and contrast you have on the one hand, two children who at that age couldn't have possibly comprehended the heinous nature of the crime they committed because they were, you know, children. On the other you have adult men who are abducting kids and murdering them for sexual gratification. Surely you would think that Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley would be higher on the 'evil scale' but that doesn't seem to be the case. Probably because the adults you mentioned are in jail for life. The sentence given to kids is bound to be controversial, especially with the route taken to get them out. That said, if my child was murdered by another young child I'd like to think I'd hope they were able to be rehabilitated and live a productive life. Edited November 24, 2017 by TheProgressiveLiberal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I have never understood why this crime provokes such a vitriolic reaction. People get more upset about this than they do about people like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting. When you compare and contrast you have on the one hand, two children who at that age couldn't have possibly comprehended the heinous nature of the crime they committed because they were, you know, children. On the other you have adult men who are abducting kids and murdering them for sexual gratification. Surely you would think that Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley would be higher on the 'evil scale' but that doesn't seem to be the case. Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley are behind bars and not free to commit crimes. The vast majority of posters on here seem desperately keen to demonstrate how vastly progressive they are and how different their views are to those who post on such websites. It appears that they hold greater levels of disdain towards those who have retributive instincts than grown men who’ve downloaded child pornography. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Apologies. I don’t agree with any of it tbh. First of all it got such a reaction because they were 10 year olds who abducted a 2 year old and brutally murdered him. Do you not think they knew the difference between right and wrong just because they were children? A police officer who had interrogated the pair said that he was “staring in the face of evil” with them and that there was no doubt they would have killed that day.Also, who is saying this is worse than what Huntley/Whiting did? Everyone has an opinion on this and nobody had a scale as to what was worse, they are 3 horrific cases for various reasons. I suppose with Huntly and Whiting they were probably deeply disturbed for a number of years before they harmed any children which can be more understandable than such hideous acts being carried out by children. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, throbber said: A police officer who had interrogated the pair said that he was “staring in the face of evil” with them and that there was no doubt they would have killed that day. Oh right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, throbber said: I don’t agree with any of it tbh. First of all it got such a reaction because they were 10 year olds who abducted a 2 year old and brutally murdered him. Do you not think they knew the difference between right and wrong just because they were children? A police officer who had interrogated the pair said that he was “staring in the face of evil” with them and that there was no doubt they would have killed that day. Do you think life should mean life for 10 year old? How about 8, or 6? Even if a cop thought they had an evil eye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: Probably because the adults you mentioned are in jail for life. The sentence given to kids is bound to be controversial, especially with the route taken to get them out. That said, if my child was murdered by another young child I'd like to think I'd hope they were able to be rehabilitated and live a productive life. Then the problem is with the justice system and sentencing laws. By the route taken to get them out I assume you mean new identities? Someone can correct me here but I think the UK govt has only ever issued these new identities to 4 people so it's not as if they are being frivolous about it. 42 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley are behind bars and not free to commit crimes.The vast majority of posters on here seem desperately keen to demonstrate how vastly progressive they are and how different their views are to those who post on such websites. It appears that they hold greater levels of disdain towards those who have retributive instincts than grown men who’ve downloaded child pornography. No you are talking complete and utter shite. FWIW though, people who infect their partners with an STI and boast about it on an internet forum are worse than all of the above. 36 minutes ago, throbber said: I don’t agree with any of it tbh. First of all it got such a reaction because they were 10 year olds who abducted a 2 year old and brutally murdered him. Do you not think they knew the difference between right and wrong just because they were children? A police officer who had interrogated the pair said that he was “staring in the face of evil” with them and that there was no doubt they would have killed that day. Also, who is saying this is worse than what Huntley/Whiting did? Everyone has an opinion on this and nobody had a scale as to what was worse, they are 3 horrific cases for various reasons. I suppose with Huntly and Whiting they were probably deeply disturbed for a number of years before they harmed any children which can be more understandable than such hideous acts being carried out by children. That settles it then. Hang em high. Do I believe that a ten year old knows exactly the difference between right and wrong and the repercussions involved in taking a human life? No I don't and neither should you. Edited November 24, 2017 by The Equalizer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 14 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I'm sure there's more to him than murder and paedophilia. I've heard he doesnt recycle, just launches all his cans, bottles, cardboard etc in the general waste bin. b*****d, utter scum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Apparent picture of him doing the rounds on facebook. Without a shred of evidence to support it no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Do I believe that a ten year old knows exactly the difference between right and wrong and the repercussions involved in taking a human life? No I don't and neither should you. There’s a difference between exactly knowing the repercussions of taking a human life and going to the extremes Venables and Thompson did to a toddler though. You are way off the mark here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, throbber said: There’s a difference between exactly knowing the repercussions of taking a human life and going to the extremes Venables and Thompson did to a toddler though. You are way off the mark here. No I think you will find I'm on the mark. As is our criminal justice system which is precisely why they are tried differently to adults. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 No I think you will find I'm on the mark. As is our criminal justice system which is precisely why they are tried differently to adults. Well that’s fine, I just can’t understand why you don’t see how this case got the attention that it did and felt the need to compare the culprits to Huntly/Whiting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 52 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: Apparent picture of him doing the rounds on facebook. Without a shred of evidence to support it no doubt. Does he frequent SIMS forums though? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, throbber said: Well that’s fine, I just can’t understand why you don’t see how this case got the attention that it did and felt the need to compare the culprits to Huntly/Whiting. It's not the attention that confuses me, of course it was always going to be massive news. It's the hate that comes from the general public for the perpetrators of the crime, a hate which far eclipses that of many other child killers who weren't children themselves when they committed the crime. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been, I was comparing the publics reaction in all 3 cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: It's not the attention that confuses me, of course it was always going to be massive news. It's the hate that comes from the general public for the perpetrators of the crime, a hate which far eclipses that of many other child killers who weren't children themselves when they committed the crime. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been, I was comparing the publics reaction in all 3 cases. How are you measuring the levels of hate? I doubt it's an exact science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: How are you measuring the levels of hate? I doubt it's an exact science. In all seriousness though it's just my own perception and I'm sure I'm not alone. Edited November 24, 2017 by The Equalizer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just now, The Equalizer said: You convinced me. But... It could vary based on lots of things. Sutcliffe will generate more seethe in Bradford, Brady/Hindley in Manchester. That's even before other variables. Venables was at a particular time in history. No-one had ever seen an abduction, leading to murder on cc tv footage before. The brutal method was widely reported. The media whipped up hysteria that still exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 In all seriousness though it's just my own perception and I'm sure I'm not alone. You won’t be alone but you’re comparing 3 completely different cases and there is no possible way of measuring how the public reacted to each differently. There is still massive public hatred for Huntly and Whiting but those cases are closed now and neither will see the light of day again. The James Bulger case happened 24 years ago and it’s still making the news and making people angry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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