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Great Teams beaten by Scottish sides in Europe

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7 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd String said:

The best result in Europe by a Scottish side was Celtic's European Cup triumph. Nothing can outdo that.

I remember the night that Gornik result came through. It was a shock to us. Wasn't that Davie White's last game in charge?

The joke after was, "What's Davie White's phone number?  Gornik 3131".

What made our semi win over Bayern special was the team we played against.  Everyone remembers:

Sepp Maier
Franz Beckenbauer
Edgar Schneider
Paul Breitner
Franz Roth
Uli Hoeness
Gerd Müller

They all featured in the German 1974 WC campaign but were left arguing among themselves having been cunted by Greig, Jardine, Dave Smith, DJ, Colin Stein et al.

I have no problem saying that Celtic's win in 1967 was more significant.  No one remembers the players they played against, though.  Everyone over the age of 45 remembers the German team we put to the sword.  That's the difference.

 

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On 05/03/2018 at 23:25, jupe1407 said:

Certainly in terms of two-legged affairs it's up there.

In terms of overall results, Celtic fans will understandably argue that beating Internazionale in 1967 was better, as Aberdeen fans would argue beating Real Madrid was also a contender. 

Obviously I'm biased but i'd certainly put Dundee's 8-1 utter dicking of second favourites FC Cologne at Dens in the our first ever European match in a top five. It's slightly let down by the controversial 0-4 second leg, but still a real eye-opener of a result. 

It's also mildly painful to admit that United cunting out Barcelona in 1987 deserves a high ranking, winning both home and away. 

The OP's list is fucking comical though. 

 

Was the dundee/cologne tie the one that craig brown talks about in his book, the cologne keeper accidentally injured and dazed in first leg, so the 2nd leg cologne and their fans were brutal until the local british army came yo support them and help them out? 

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On 06/03/2018 at 15:22, ShaggysBeard said:

Dunfermline related omissions I can see is Olympiakos in the Cup Winners Cup 68/69.

Also a victories over Valencia and Athletic Bilbao, where Dunfermline won at East End Park but ultimately lost both ties on a third match after tying over the original two legs.

The Valencia result must have a shout at being one of the most remarkable of a Scottish side in Europe. Trailing 4-0 after the match in Valencia, Dunfermline managed to skud Valencia 6-2. Overturning as much as a 4 goal deficit from the first leg was a record that Dunfermline held for over 50 years until last season when Barcelona beat PSG 6-1 at the Camp Nou after losing 4-0 in Paris.

Dunfermline didn't really overturn a 4 goal deficit, since they still lost.  There were also two other actual 4 goal comebacks in between that and the Barcelona one - Partizan Belgrade came from 6-2 down to beat QPR in 1984/85 and Real Madrid came from 5-1 down to beat Borussia Monchengladbach in 1986/87.

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Was the dundee/cologne tie the one that craig brown talks about in his book, the cologne keeper accidentally injured and dazed in first leg, so the 2nd leg cologne and their fans were brutal until the local british army came yo support them and help them out? 
Yup, the very one. A pretty nasty affair by all accounts.

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19 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:
29 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:
Was the dundee/cologne tie the one that craig brown talks about in his book, the cologne keeper accidentally injured and dazed in first leg, so the 2nd leg cologne and their fans were brutal until the local british army came yo support them and help them out? 

Yup, the very one. A pretty nasty affair by all accounts.

Aye it sounded well dodgy, imagine playing in something like that lol

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Aye it sounded well dodgy, imagine playing in something like that lol
A lot of that was down to Cologne's manager. When trying to explain to the German media why a team from Scotland no one had ever heard of scudded the second favourites 8-1, he said that Dundee had targeted the keeper, when it had been a total accident. The ill-feeling largely stemmed from that.

Ian Ure and Alex Hamilton's accounts are pretty good. Ure says he just ran about cleaning out about as many of their players as he could get away with

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2 hours ago, jupe1407 said:

A lot of that was down to Cologne's manager. When trying to explain to the German media why a team from Scotland no one had ever heard of scudded the second favourites 8-1, he said that Dundee had targeted the keeper, when it had been a total accident. The ill-feeling largely stemmed from that.

Ian Ure and Alex Hamilton's accounts are pretty good. Ure says he just ran about cleaning out about as many of their players as he could get away with emoji38.png

Ha good on him, the way brown describes it, it sounded brutal, would have loved to have seen the away game mind you

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On 3/5/2018 at 20:16, The_Kincardine said:

Borussia Moenchengladbach were a decent German team.  Us beating them 11-0 over two legs in 1960/1 has also been omitted.

Indeed.  We left a very-much fancied team arguing  among themselves..  Terrific night at Ibrox though I was only 12*.  Possibly the best Scottish result in Europe?

Germany didn't even have a central professional league in 1960, hence the 11-0 score line.   In fact Monchengladbach finished 14th out of 16 in the regional Oberliga West in 1960.

They received a bye into the round, lost 11-0 and didn't play in Europe again for another 10 years.

On top of that they had no players in the West Germany World Cup squad of 1958 and only 1 in the 1962 squad.

Suspect almost any top flight Scottish team would have cuffed them.

Was a much bigger achievement for Rangers to beat Wolves in the semi final.

Edited by Ya Bezzer!

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36 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Was a much bigger achievement for Rangers to beat Wolves in the semi final.

I may have over-egged the pudding wrt Borussia Moenchengladbach but an 11-0 aggregate win en route to a European final isn't to be sniffed at.

The Wolves match was something special, of course, and we have a song about it:

 

There's also some brief footage of the home leg - old Ibrox with the wee blue invalid cars:

Finally, there's a decent blog article by Iain Duff who also wrote a, slightly hagiographic, book about Rangers in Europe:

https://iainduff.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/when-the-rangers-came-to-wolverhampton-town/

 

 

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The Wolves game was the one after which the term **** was coined.

They were referred to in the Wolverhampton press as marauding **** after they rioted in the city.

Then followed Newcastle, Birmingham, Barcelona and numerous others.

This is why  as a proddie the term offends me not one jot.

It applies to the followers of one football club and to them alone.

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The joke after was, "What's Davie White's phone number?  Gornik 3131".
What made our semi win over Bayern special was the team we played against.  Everyone remembers:
Sepp Maier
Franz Beckenbauer
Edgar Schneider
Paul Breitner
Franz Roth
Uli Hoeness
Gerd Müller
They all featured in the German 1974 WC campaign but were left arguing among themselves having been cunted by Greig, Jardine, Dave Smith, DJ, Colin Stein et al.
I have no problem saying that Celtic's win in 1967 was more significant.  No one remembers the players they played against, though.  Everyone over the age of 45 remembers the German team we put to the sword.  That's the difference.
 

What no one remembers Mazzola, Facchetti, Burgnich, Sarti but remember Schneider?

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That win over Fleetwood rangers must be top simply outstanding seriously though why is that even there?

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On ‎26‎.‎09‎.‎2017 at 13:58, BACKOFTHENET said:

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DOS Utrecht by Hibs
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Hibs' win technically was not over DOS, but of a 'City of Utrecht all-star team' consisting of the best players of the city's three professional sides, which later merged to form the current FC Utrecht.

Surely our trahsing of Faroe giants Runavik - already the second time we put six past foreign opposition this season - has to be listed now as well.

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On a more recent note. Despite being outplayed for almost the entire match. Celtic beating of Barcelona when Watt scored the winning goal could be seen as significant. given the quality of that Barca side at the time as they were arguably the best team in the world

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Our pumpings given to Everton and West Brom were at the time, extraordinary.

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On 07/03/2018 at 02:22, ShaggysBeard said:

Dunfermline related omissions I can see is Olympiakos in the Cup Winners Cup 68/69.

Also a victories over Valencia and Athletic Bilbao, where Dunfermline won at East End Park but ultimately lost both ties on a third match after tying over the original two legs.

The Valencia result must have a shout at being one of the most remarkable of a Scottish side in Europe. Trailing 4-0 after the match in Valencia, Dunfermline managed to skud Valencia 6-2. Overturning as much as a 4 goal deficit from the first leg was a record that Dunfermline held for over 50 years until last season when Barcelona beat PSG 6-1 at the Camp Nou after losing 4-0 in Paris.

Hibs lost 4-1 away in Napoli, before knocking 5 past Dino Zoff at Easter Road to win 6-4 on aggregate.

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Hibs lost 4-1 away in Napoli, before knocking 5 past Dino Zoff at Easter Road to win 6-4 on aggregate.
Some quotes from the match report :

From the moment Bobby Duncan belted the first goal past Dino Zoff after five minutes, it was clear that the Italians wouldn't live with Hibs.

And the cry from the fans after their superb performance against Napoli was "Bring on Leeds!"

Napoli were outclassed and had no answer to Hibs' surging raids.

The Hibs players were fouled a total of 21 times in the first half alone and the deflated Italian league leaders returned home in disgrace after substitute Girardo was sent off for a deliberate kick at Eric Stevenson.

A crowd of 21,000 roared Hibs to victory, and their hero was Pat Stanton, who drove his forwards on to get the goals needed.

Zoff was the busiest man on the park, while Hibs keeper Willie Wilson didn't have to make a single save all night.

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Missing off the original list was St Johnstone's 1-0 win in Minsk. A feat so incredible, to this day I'm not sure any other Scottish side has beaten them.

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On 9/26/2017 at 12:58, BACKOFTHENET said:

Selected pick of sides conquered by Scottish sides

I took about 4 hours to do this. But I think the effort was worth it. 
Here is a list of some of the great club sides that Scottish clubs have defeated in competitive games. I have selected a pick of the sides, they have also defeated other teams I have not mentioned. I am including a win in any individual game, including after extra time. So they may have been knocked out over two legs by the same team. I do not include penalty shoot outs, or away goals rule victories, when both games were drawn. This is purely a list of individual game wins by Scottish sides.
 
The order shows the name of a European team with a list of Scottish teams who have beaten them in Europe. 
KR Reykavic by Aberdenn, 
Standard Liege by Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts, Glasgow Rangers
Real Zaragoza by Aberdeen, Dunfermline, Glasgow Rangers
Honved by Aberdeen
Celta Vigo by Aberdeen and Celtic
Fortuna Dusseldorf by Aberdeen, Glasgow Rangers
Austria Vienna by Aberdeen
Ipswich Town by Aberdeen
SV Hamburg by Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone
Sion by Aberdeen
Lech Pozan by Aberdeen
Bayern Munich by Aberdeen, Hearts, Glasgow Rangers
Real Madrid by Aberdeen, Celtic
Servette by Aberdeen
Bohemians by Aberdeen, Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Feyenoord by Aberdeen
Rapid Vienna by Aberdeen, Glasgow Rangers
Barry Town by Aberdeen
FC Copenhagen by Aberdeen, Celtic, and Glasgow Rangers
Groningen by Aberdeen
Basel by Celtic, Hearts 
Dynamo Zagreb by Celtic, Dunfermline, Hearts
Slovan Bratislava by Celtic
Leixoes by Celtic
Go Ahead by Celtic
Dynamo Kiev by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Liverpool by Celtic, Hibs
Nantes by Celtic 
Inter Milan by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
St Etienne by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Red Star Belgrade by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Benfica by Celtic
Fiorentina by Celtic
Leeds United by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Waterford by Celtic 
Rosenborg by Celtic, Hibs, St Johnstone
Boavista by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Dundalk by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Juventus by Celtic, Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Ajax by Celtic
Real Sociedad by Celtic 
Sporting Lisbon by Celtic, Dundee, Hibs, Glasgow Rangers
Shamrock Rovers by Celtic
B Dortmund by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
P Belgrade by Celtic 
Inter Cable Telecom by Celtic
St Patricks by Celtic
Cwmbran Town by Celtic 
Hapoel Tel Aviv by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Porto by Celtic, Hibs, Glasgow Rangers
Valencia by Celtic, Hibs
Blackburn by Celtic
Vfb Stuttgart by Celtic, Hearts, Glasgow Rangers, Dunfermline
FBK Kaunas by Celtic
Lyon by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
Barcelona by Celtic, Dundee United, Hibs
Shakhtar Donetsk by Celtic
Artmedia Bratislava by Celtic
Manchester United by Celtic 
Villareal by Celtic
Dinamo Moscow by Celtic
Braga by Celtic, Hearts
Utrecht by Celtic 
Rennes by Celtic 
HJK Helsinki by Celtic
Helsingborg by Celtic 
Spartak Moscow by Celtic 
Cliftonville by Celtic
Shakter Karagandy by Celtic 
AC Milan by Celtic, Dundee
Anderlecht by Celtic, Dundee, Dunfermline, Glasgow Rangers
FC Cologne by Dundee, Glasgow Rangers
DWS Amstedam by Dundee
Grasshoppers by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Sparta Prague by Dundee United, St Mirren
Slask Wroclaw by Dundee United
Monaco by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
B Monchengladbach by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
PSV Eindhoven by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Viking Stavanger by Dundee United
Werder Bremen by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Lens by Dundee United 
Hadjuk Split by Dundee United 
Coleraine by Dundee United
Glentoran by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
Antwerp by Dundee United, Kilmarnock
St Patricks Athletic by Dunfermline, Hearts, 
Everton by Dunfermline
Ujpest Dozsa by Dunfermline 
Athletico Bilbao by Dunfermline, Glasgow Rangers
West Brom by Dunfermline 
Bordeaux by Dunfermline, Hearts
Bologna by Hearts
Atletico Madrid by Hearts
Rot-Weiss Essen by Hibs 
DOS Utrecht by Hibs
Napoli by Hibs
Malmo FF by Hibs, and Celtic
Sochaux by Hibs
Strasbourg by Hibs
AEK Athens by Hibs
Eintracht Frankfurt by Kilmarnock 
Shelbourne by Kilmarnock, Glasgow Rangers
Glenavon by Kilmarnock 
Strum Graz by Livingston, Glasgow Rangers
Katowice by Motherwell, Glasgow Rangers
Llanelli by Motherwell
Glentoran by Motherwell
Nice by Glasgow Rangers
Sparta Rotterdam by Glasgow Rangers
Ferencvaros by Glasgow Rangers
Wolverhampton Wanderers by Glasgow Rangers
Seville by Glasgow Rangers
Dynamo Dresden by Glasgow Rangers
Steua Bucharest by Glasgow Rangers
Rennes by Glasgow Rangers
Torino by Glasgow Rangers
Dynamo Moscow by Glasgow Rangers
Ankaragucu by Glasgow Rangers
Osasuna by Glasgow Rangers
Slavia Prague by Glasgow Rangers
CSKA Moscow by Glasgow Rangers
FC Bruges by Glasgow Rangers
Vladikavkaz by Glasgow Rangers
PAOK Salonika by Glasgow Rangers
Beitar Jerusalem by Glasgow Rangers
Parma by Glasgow Rangers
Zalgris Kaunas by Glasgow Rangers
Kaiserslauten by Glasgow Rangers
MK Maribor by Glasgow Rangers
Molde by Glasgow Rangers
Bursaspor by Glasgow Rangers
Rijeka by Aberdeen
Shkëndijan by Aberdeen
Fola Esch by Aberdeen
Ventspils by Aberdeen
Alashkert by St Johnstone
Lincoln Red Imps by Celtic
Infonet Tallinn by Hearts
Stjarnan by Celtic
Qarabag by Celtic
Astana by Celtic
Brondby by Hibs, Dundee United
Linfield by Celtic

 
Also in the English FA Cup
Crewe Alexandria by Queens Park
Nottingham Forest by Queens Park
Notts County by Queens Park
Manchester by Queens Park
Oswerstry by Queens Park
Aston Villa by Queens Park
Old Westminsters by Queens Park, Glasgow Rangers
Blackburn Olympic by Queens Park, Partick Thistle
Blackburn Park Road by Third Lanark
Darwen Old Wanderers by Cowlairs
Higher Walton by Queens Park
Accrington by Renton 
Rossendale by Cowlairs
Church by Rangers
Fleetwood Rangers by Partick Thistle
Blackburn Rovers by Renton
Cliftonville by Partick Thistle
Lincoln City by Glasgow Rangers

In the Scottish League, Scottish Cup and Scottish League Cup
The best English Team Berwick Rangers have been beaten by lots of Scottish sides. 


Intercontinental Cup 
Racing Club by Celtic

Also In the Texaco Cup / Anglo Scottish Cup 
Newcastle United by Ayr United, Hearts, Dundee United
West Brom by Greenock Morton
Burnley by Hearts
Coventry by Falkirk, Motherwell
Huddersfield Town by Airdrie
Norwich City by Motherwell
Everton by Hearts
Blackburn Robers by Motherwell
Man City by Airdrie
Notts County by St Mirren
Oldham by Greenock Morton
Mansfield by Partick Thistle 
Preston NE by Greenock Morton
Sheffield United by St Mirren
Blackpool by Kilmarnock 
Spurs by Motherwell

Also in the British League Cup
Celtic beat Sunderland, and Rangers beat Everton.

Also in the 1967 NASL
Cagliari by Dundee United, Hibernian
Sunderland by Hibernian 
Shamrock Rovers by Dundee United 
Bangu (Brazil) by Aberdeen 
Wolverhampton by Aberdeen
Cerro (Uruguay) by Aberdeen 
ADO Den Haag by Hibernian 


Also in the Scottish Challenge Cuo
Linfield by Queen of the South.
Cliftonville by Livingston.
Bala Town by Alloa Athletic.
TNS by St Mirren  
Bray Wanderers by Elgin City
Sligo Rovers by Falkirk

Here is my top 30 of achievements by Scottish sides to have beaten in competitive games. I take into quality of opposition, status of team defeated, number of teams to have defeated the foreign team, and also for bonus points either regional rivalry, or the exotic novelty of the win. 
1. Barcelona by Celtic, Dundee United, Hibs
2. Real Madrid by Aberdeen, Celtic
3. Bayern Munich by Aberdeen, Hearts, Glasgow Rangers
4. Inter Milan by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
5. Liverpool by Celtic, Hibs
6. AC Milan by Celtic, Dundee
7. SV Hamburg by Aberdeen, Hibs, St Johnstone
8. Leeds United by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
9. Juventus by Celtic, Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
10. Sporting Lisbon by Celtic, Dundee, Hibs, Glasgow Rangers
11. Manchester United by Celtic 
12. Ajax by Celtic
13. Porto by Celtic, Hibs, Glasgow Rangers
14. Dundalk by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
15. TNS by St Mirren
16. Linfield by Celtic and Queen of the South
17. Barry Town by Aberdeen
18. Shakter Karagandy by Celtic 
19. Everton by Dunfermline
20. PSV Eindhoven by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
21. Anderlecht by Celtic, Dundee, Dunfermline, Glasgow Rangers
22. Red Star Belgrade by Celtic, Glasgow Rangers
23. Aston Villa by Queens Park
24. Nottingham Forest by Queens Park
25. Werder Bremen by Dundee United, Glasgow Rangers
26. Newcastle United by Ayr United, Hearts, Dundee United
27. Racing Club by Celtic
28. Astana by Celtic
29. Spurs by Motherwell
30. Eintracht Frankfurt by Kilmarnock 

The most glaring teams not on this list are Chelsea, PSG, Roma, Lazio, Marseille, Sampdoria, Arsenal, IFK Gothenburg, Galatasary, Fenerbache, West Ham, Swansea City, Cardiff City, Wrexham, Newport County, Torino, and Zenit St Petersburg. Plus almost all non European teams such as Corinthians, and Santos. 
No Scottish team has played Truro City, of Cornwall. 
The teams beaten by the most Scottish teams seem to have been Standard Liege, Anderlecht, and Sporting Lisbon.

Scottish clubs have also beaten nations in friendlies including Striling Albion against Japan, Aberdeen against South Africa, and Hearts against Australia. 


 


 

I'm a wee bit surprised that Dundee's win over Cologne in the 62/3 European Cup isn't in your top 30.

 

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