German Election

[Sooky]

German election exit polls:

CDU/CSU - 32.5%

SPD - 20%

AfD - 13.5%

FDP - 10.5%

Greens - 9.5%

Left party - 9%

 

 

So with voting closed and the exit poll in, the only real certainty seems that Merkel will have a fourth term as Chancellor.

 

CDU went down 9% from last election, if this is right, and the SPD have had their worst result in decades. Shame to see the AfD in third.

 

SPD have already ruled out another Grand Coalition, so the only workable majority is the 'Jamaica Coalition' of the CDU/CSU + FDP + Greens. Otherwise, a minority it'll need to be.

 

Figured it might be worth starting a thread considering the expected result is a bit of a shock!

[John Lambies Doos]

Not pertaining to know much about German politics; but which one(s) of these parties above would be anti Europe?

 

 

[Sooky]

Not pertaining to know much about German politics; but which one(s) of these parties above would be anti Europe?
 
 

AfD, who have entered parliament for the first time. Nigel Farage popped over to speak to them a couple weeks ago and they're fiercely anti-immigrant and grew a fair bit during the refugee crisis.

[Menzel]

FDP bouncing back from wipeout at the last Budestag election likely accounts for the CDU being down percentage-wise, alongside those who switched their allegiance to AfD. This exit poll is pretty grim all things considered, not least because the bigots look to be getting parliamentary representation. 

[welshbairn]

The AfD get most of their support from the old East, which indicates that reunification is a generational process rather than just pulling down the wall.

[Sooky]

The AfD get most of their support from the old East, which indicates that reunification is a generational process rather than just pulling down the wall.

Judging by this, the AfD came a strong second in the East, with the SPD coming fourth, behind the East's other great love, the basically communist Die Linke...

[Sooky]

Also people talk about the Scotland being a one party state, here's the CSU % results in Bavarian elections over the years...

 

 

And a nice graphic of the 2013 election...

 

 

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, Menzel said:

FDP bouncing back from wipeout at the last Budestag election likely accounts for the CDU being down percentage-wise, alongside those who switched their allegiance to AfD. This exit poll is pretty grim all things considered, not least because the bigots look to be getting parliamentary representation. 

Those damn voters, eh?

[Menzel]

Just now, Jacksgranda said:

Those damn voters, eh?

Not really, no. 

[NotThePars]

I'd say it's the downside of a PR system but we've got Theresa May as PM so who knows anymore.

[NotThePars]

Downside that people vote for the party that best represents their beliefs? Your types ain't too fond of democracy and the will of the people these days....

 

Literally nowhere does it suggest that I don't support a proportional representation system.

[welshbairn]

9 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

People of here have dismissed 60+ million Americans last year as thick bigots, 17million Brits last year as thick bigots, 11 million French people this year as thick bigots and now 13% of the German electorate are to be dismissed as thick bigots.

 

Could it not possibly be that these people have legitimate concerns and grievances that lead them to vote the way they do other than just being thick bigots?

No, they're undeniably thick, and the majority are bigots. Trumpets voting for a man who wants to deny them healthcare and grant massive tax cuts to the wealthiest 1%? That's thick. Kippers in Cornwall and Wales voting to get out of the EU when they get a bigger net gain than anyone from it. Never mind farmers, thick as f**k. France has always been one of the most bigoted countries in Europe and East Germans have had trouble joining the 21st century.

[Red 'N Yellow]

Surprised to see the SPD do so poorly, thought Schulz would have given them a boost. The CDU shedding 9% must be worrying, thought Merkel was perceived as doing a decent job, they'll need someone good to replace her when she eventually steps down. AfD have done well, weird seeing a right wing nationalist party rise to 3rd in Germany but I suppose it was always going to happen. The next 4 years should be interesting.

[PB 4.2]

33 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

People of here have dismissed 60+ million Americans last year as thick bigots, 17million Brits last year as thick bigots, 11 million French people this year as thick bigots and now 13% of the German electorate are to be dismissed as thick bigots.

 

Could it not possibly be that these people have legitimate concerns and grievances that lead them to vote the way they do other than just being thick bigots?

I voted to leave and I have legitimate concerns over the management of immigrants by the last 3 UK governments.    Not all leave voters are thick bigots, but you are.  

[williemillersmoustache]

No, they're undeniably thick, and the majority are bigots. Trumpets voting for a man who wants to deny them healthcare and grant massive tax cuts to the wealthiest 1%? That's thick. Kippers in Cornwall and Wales voting to get out of the EU when they get a bigger net gain than anyone from it. Never mind farmers, thick as f**k. France has always been one of the most bigoted countries in Europe and East Germans have had trouble joining the 21st century.

Belter.

[williemillersmoustache]

I voted to leave and I have legitimate concerns over the management of immigrants by the last 3 UK governments.    Not all leave voters are thick bigots, but you are.  

Assuming those concerns aren't just some form of: "i don't like different people" those concerns could easily have been addressed while staying in the EU.

Although I agee, not all leavers are thick or bigots, some are just b*****ds who stand to gain like that p***k Dyson. But the reality of Brexit is that the overwhelming majority are going to lose out and the cynical smart fucker 3rd option chaps are few and far between.

So unless you invented the bagless vacuum cleaner and a way to make idiot women pay even more money for a fucking hairdryer, we've narrowed it down to either option no.1 or no.2. Haven't we?

I comfortable swapping thick for gullible if that softens the blow any?

[The Chlamydia Kid]

Belter.

It was an absolutely pathetic response that demonstrates that he believes electoral choices are made according to a personal cost/benefit analysis calculation rather than by any guiding principles of fairness or how society should work.

The post also dismissed a full country and one former country for not thinking "like us".

It's amazing the sort of braindead rubbish folk will 'like' on here if it's broadly in line with their chosen political stance.

[williemillersmoustache]

It was an absolutely pathetic response that demonstrates that he believes electoral choices are made according to a personal cost/benefit analysis calculation rather than by any guiding principles of fairness or how society should work.

The post also dismissed a full country and one former country for not thinking "like us".

It's amazing the sort of braindead rubbish folk will 'like' on here if it's broadly in line with their chosen political stance.

Melter.

[The Chlamydia Kid]

 

 

Although I agee, not all leavers are thick or bigots, some are just b*****ds who stand to gain like that p***k Dyson.

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You've just liked a post slating Cornish, Welsh and farmers for not voting according to their economic interests but now your slating someone who did vote according to their economic interests. Make your mind up ffs.

 

You're clearly not the sharpest tool in the box- stick to one word replies in future and know your level [emoji106]

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

 

 

You've just liked a post slating Cornish fisherman and farmers for not voting according to their economic interests but now your slating someone who did vote according to their economic interests. Make your mind up ffs.

 

 

Dyson has been campaigning on how, as a businessman, he knows what's best for British jobs. He's exported almost all of his jobs to the Far East and is hoping for a low tariff deal to export back to the UK after Brexit. The man is shameless.