invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: I think you need to find out what an analogy is. You posed a question and I responded. Do you genuinely believe Catalonia doesn't have the resources to hold a referendum on 1 October? I genuinely believe that the Catalan Government does not have the resources to hold a referendum without the assistance of municipal authorities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: So when Catalonia declares independence from Spain will you consider Catalonia to be part of Spain?. Spain will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: I genuinely believe that the Catalan Government does not have the resources to hold a referendum without the assistance of municipal authorities. I suspect there will be no shortage of volunteers. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I think you need to find out what an analogy is. You posed a question and I responded. Do you genuinely believe Catalonia doesn't have the resources to hold a referendum on 1 October? 30th September is it not, with results on 1st October. I could be wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: Spain will. Of course. But in practical terms what will the Castillians be able to do? I don't envy them their predicament. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 30th September is it not, with results on 1st October. I could be wrong. It's on the 1st. I'll be in Montreal then. I suspect there will be local coverage... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, invergowrie arab said: analogy əˈnalədʒi/ noun a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. Well done. There's hope for you yet. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: So when Catalonia declares independence from Spain will you consider Catalonia to be part of Spain?. It won't. Even if it did after a thoroughly organised and legal referendum available to all, then it would be up to Catalonians and the rest of Spain how to arrange their future relationship. I'm not sure why you are relishing the prospect of the wealthiest part of Spain breaking away from the rest so much. Are you Portuguese? Edited September 18, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: I suspect there will be no shortage of volunteers. You might be correct 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Of course. But in practical terms what will the Castillians be able to do? I don't envy them their predicament. I could be here all day listing what Madrid could practically do to protect its territorial integrity. A more useful question is on the day of the Catalan UDI what will, for example, the French do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It's on the 1st. I'll be in Montreal then. I suspect there will be local coverage... Baws. I've put a ten spot on the wrong catalan referendum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It won't. If it did after a thoroughly organised and legal referendum available to all, then it would be up to Catalonians and the rest of Spain how to arrange their future relationship. I'm not sure why you are relishing the prospect of the wealthiest part of Spain breaking away from the rest so much. Are you Portuguese? The Catalans will undoubtedly declare independence with a Yes vote. What is the point of the vote if not that? I neither relish nor don't relish the situation. It is what it is. I do however have friends of Catalan and South American origin who live there so it is of interest. You seem very opposed to Catalan independence. May I ask why? And no, I am not Portuguese. Edited September 18, 2017 by Tibbermoresaint -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: I could be here all day listing what Madrid could practically do to protect its territorial integrity. Go on then. Perhaps you could also explain what the Catalans will do to protect their territorial integrity. I suspect the French won't do very much politically. Border controls will have to be imposed although I don't know what this would amount to in practice. Edited September 18, 2017 by Tibbermoresaint Musing -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Go on then. Perhaps you could also explain what the Catalans will do to protect their territorial integrity. I suspect the French won't do very much. As a starting point declare the Catalan govt illegal, take over all communications channels and websites , freeze assets and bank accounts both of the Catalan municipalities and the individuals within them, arrest people in public office taking part in the illegal govt and put the guardia civil on the streets. In retaliation the Catalans could do what they did last time to protect their territory like putting barricades of wardrobes and mattresses on the ramblas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: The Catalans will undoubtedly declare independence with a Yes vote. What is the point of the vote if not that? I neither relish nor don't relish the situation. It is what it is. I do however have friends of Catalan and South American origin who live there so it is of interest. And no, I am not Portuguese. It's like Sinn Fein calling and organizing an independence referendum in Northern Ireland, without the agreement of anyone else. Unionists would boycott it, and every national and international body would ignore the result as meaningless. If the Catalan indy enthusiasts declared independence on the basis of a disputed and shambolic referendum where only their supporters turned out, they'll be universally ignored, rightfully. Edited September 18, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: As a starting point declare the Catalan govt illegal, take over all communications channels and websites , freeze assets and bank accounts both of the Catalan municipalities and the individuals within them, arrest people in public office taking part in the illegal govt and put the guardia civil on the streets. You're describing acts of war. How on earth can the Spanish government declare the government of another country to be illegal or arrest people in that other country? What authority will the Guardia Civil have in that country? How will the international community react to that. Edited September 18, 2017 by Tibbermoresaint -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's like Sinn Fein calling and organizing an independence referendum in Northern Ireland, without the agreement of anyone else. Not at all. This referendum has the approval of the Catalan Parliament and Government. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: You're describing acts of war. How on earth can the Spanish government declare the government of another country to be illegal or arrest people in that other country? What authority will the Guardia Civil have in that country? How will the international community react to that. It's Spain mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 By the way they were still fighting Franco in the streets of Madrid months after the Catalans caved in. Making this a repeat of the Civil War is not only ignorant, it's dangerous. Violent ideology gets fired up from global sources now even more now than it did then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: It's Spain mate. It was Spain, mate. Edited September 18, 2017 by Tibbermoresaint Punctuation -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: By the way they were still fighting Franco in the streets of Madrid months after the Catalans caved in. Making this a repeat of the Civil War is not only ignorant, it's dangerous. Violent ideology gets fired up from global sources now even more now than it did then. Only one side can make this a repeat of the Civil War. I very much hope they have more sense but I am doubtful. Edited September 18, 2017 by Tibbermoresaint -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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