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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Madrid are making a good argument for the bullet being better than the ballot. Or the only option. All they had to do was ignore an illegal and widely boycotted independence poll. I suspect their motive is to distract from corruption allegations rather than upholding the rule of law and keeping Spain together. Old article but it's still going on.

https://www.politico.eu/article/spains-cash-corruption-and-construction-trial-caso-gurtel/

It is a very valid point.  If you deny folk change by stripping them of democratic means people will resort to other actions.  It was an issue that plagued the Basque Country for years.

 

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The PNV (Basque National Party) have demanded the release of all Political Prisoners and have refused to continue to negotiate the Spanish Budget supposedly.  

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It's really heartbreaking what's going on in Catalonia.  I really hope they prevail eventually and we should all support them.  I usually go to Valencia on holiday every year, think it will be Barcelona from now on, don't want to give a penny to fascists.  We go there to watch Barca anyway.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44327573?ns_linkname=news_central&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has been forced out of office by a no-confidence vote in parliament

It's done, who knows what it means.  The socialists are being supported by the Catalonians so I can't see them being very happy at the idea of granting independence and then losing that support permanently.

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1 hour ago, Tartan Dave said:

Anyone with a better clue than me able to suggest what Rajoy being replaced by socialists may mean for catalonia? 

The Catalonian independence issue is not seen as a left/right issue but I hope the new PM will call off the dogs I need relation to the Catalonian ministers who were being persecuted by Rajoy.

 

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Pedro Sanchez sounds like a name you’d make up for a Spaniard.

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Catalan and Basque politicians tipped the balance and toppled adolf rajoy from his premiership.....pleasing :thumsup2

 

Problem is the Catalan representatives in the new Spanish Government are very pro Spanish and anti Catalan independence.

It would be like Gordon Brown and George Foulkes having a bigger say in UK government policy...

 

Nothing to celebrate here me thinks

 

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1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:

 

Problem is the Catalan representatives in the new Spanish Government are very pro Spanish and anti Catalan independence.

It would be like Gordon Brown and George Foulkes having a bigger say in UK government policy...

 

Nothing to celebrate here me thinks

 

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Aye catalan indy is still a long way off JLD,unfortunately :(

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Madrid are talking about going for a federal system, better solution for Catalonia and Spain than full indepence imo. Catalonia is not the same as Scotland. You've got a big majority in Barcelona for staying in Spain for a start. A lot of the push for indy over there comes from the type of c***s from Moray and Perthshire over here who voted Tory.

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The Catalonian independence parties have decided to vote with the Spanish right wing and fascist parties to fold the socialist Government. Meanwhile Catalan News think the mess of all the Catalonian politicians being on trial under a very weird and brutal system could somehow be helped if they listened to our Speaker.

https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/1095763564831432706

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I don’t understand the support for Catalan independence from people outwith Catalonia.

I certainly support their right of self determination which they are being denied but I am totally neutral on the issue itself.

The treatment of Catalan politicians has been OTT and is not helping anyone’s cause other than possibly the Catalans themselves.

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2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I don’t understand the support for Catalan independence from people outwith Catalonia.

I certainly support their right of self determination which they are being denied but I am totally neutral on the issue itself.

The treatment of Catalan politicians has been OTT and is not helping anyone’s cause other than possibly the Catalans themselves.

Is it not the case most support self determination principle rather than outright Catalan independence?   Although to contradict myself, I support Catalan independence  

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39 minutes ago, Colkitto said:

Is it not the case most support self determination principle rather than outright Catalan independence?   Although to contradict myself, I support Catalan independence  

There's no evidence of a majority wanting Catalan independence, if there were I'd probably support it but otherwise I'd happily support the majority view. Although there's something a bit queasy about the richest part of a country wanting to split off to avoid subsidising the poorer parts, like Northern Italy. Until recently the main pro independence parties were solidly right wing and supported by local business leaders. 

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Is it not the case most support self determination principle rather than outright Catalan independence?   Although to contradict myself, I support Catalan independence  

This. I don't know enough about Catalonia other than meeting a few folk from there who all wanted independence. You can see why given how Spain has handled the issue.

They should be allowed to have a peaceful vote on it.

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