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46 minutes ago, stanton4 said:

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

Tbf, only one down out a league of 16 is an unusually low percentage but in time it’s a certainty that will increase - especially as the number of licensed clubs in the feeder leagues below increases.

You do however raise an interesting point re the highland league. The sooner the north premier juniors, or a select bunch of ambitious north juniors and/or North Caledonian clubs form a breakaway Highland league second tier the better. 

 

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9 hours ago, stanton4 said:

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

It was decided when the Lowland League was formed that it would remain at 16 teams. It's unfortunate but it is what they all signed up to. With this only the second season that the Lowland Leauge has operated at 16 teams, it's a rule that will evolve over time. For now it's not a particularly pressing issue until it happens, so it's likely to stay on the books till they have to deal with the consequences of it.

As for the Highland League they get away with it because the SFA took a hands off approach and left it to the clubs to organise. That's also how the EoSFL & SoSFL were allowed to be tacked on beneath the Lowland League. I wasn't a fan of the McLeish Report's 10 team Highland & Lowland Leagues, but it would of forced a more significant change than what we have seen. With the Angus SPFL clubs no longer threatened by the idea of participation in the Highland League I doubt it will change unless more North Juniors try for a SFA licence.

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do the winners of the east of scotland league have to negotiate a playoff with either the south of scotland winners or bottom of the lowland league to gain promotion? (if they are licensed and able to be promoted)

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41 minutes ago, big al said:

do the winners of the east of scotland league have to negotiate a playoff with either the south of scotland winners or bottom of the lowland league to gain promotion? (if they are licensed and able to be promoted)

  1. EoSFL v SoSFL both licensed - play-off with each other
  2. Only one team licensed - that teams goes up without a play-off
  3. No team licensed - no one gets promoted

Since it's a 16 team league, if Cowdenbeath come down but no Lowland League team gets promoted then the 15th team also gets relegated to balance the numbers.

Found the rules after I asked the same thing on the previous page - rule B4: http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Scottish-Lowland-Football-League-Rules-Version-8.pdf

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Interesting read Ginaro.

Noted this rule:

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Pitch Conditions
G19 Each Club shall ensure that the field of play at its Registered Ground and at any other ground
at which it is the Home Club for a League, League Cup or Play-Off Match is;
a) smooth and in good condition and repair; and
b) equipped with an efficient and effective drainage system so as to minimize the chance
of the pitch becoming unplayable due to flooding.

That surely rules out Lothian and Tynecastle for ever being promoted :whistle


On a serious note:

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G21 Clubs will ensure that they have floodlights of sufficient quality to play competitive matches
midweek throughout the season. If a club does not have adequate floodlights it must apply for
a dispensation from the Board by the Completion Date each year and provide evidence that it
has an agreement to use alternative ground(s) for midweek fixtures under floodlights. Such
ground must be (a) the registered ground of a club in membership of the SLFL or SPFL and for
which that club holds a current Club Licence or (b) another ground which complies with the
requirements for Club Licensing and has been approved by the Board.

I'm left wondering why some teams don't satisfy this requirement yet still remain in the league - i.e. Whitehill?

Edited by MDM

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I'm left wondering how people can leave school without knowing the difference between i.e. and e.g. :lol:

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Bonnyton aren't currently licensed - I'm not sure they've even got the covered enclosure up at their new ground yet.

As things stand Threave and St Cuthbert Wanderers are eligible among the clubs in contention atop SOSL.

Edited by HibeeJibee

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32 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

How have you concluded that Whitehill - or indeed CSS, Vale or Selkirk - don't satisfy that requirement?

If required to, where would Whitehill play a 'home' game under lights?

It looks like the teams you've mentioned are satisfying the requirement but depending on the goodwill of other teams to let them use their facility.  

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37 minutes ago, The Mantis said:

I'm left wondering how people can leave school without knowing the difference between i.e. and e.g. :lol:

I blame my teachers.  They spent more time striking than thinking about us poor pupils and the future we faced; a future faced with cruel ridicule from people who should know better. 

Especially people who are prone to the odd grammatical error themselves.....;)

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1 hour ago, MDM said:

I blame my teachers.  They spent more time striking than thinking about us poor pupils and the future we faced; a future faced with cruel ridicule from people who should know better. 

Especially people who are prone to the odd grammatical error themselves.....;)

Good points, and my apologies, I actually came in to see if I still had time to delete that comment. Mind you, did the Primary teachers actually go on strike? :whistle

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1 hour ago, The Mantis said:

Good points, and my apologies, I actually came in to see if I still had time to delete that comment. Mind you, did the Primary teachers actually go on strike? :whistle

Below the belt Mantis:thumbsdown

:lol:

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On 08/02/2018 at 22:23, Ginaro said:
  1. EoSFL v SoSFL both licensed - play-off with each other
  2. Only one team licensed - that teams goes up without a play-off
  3. No team licensed - no one gets promoted

Since it's a 16 team league, if Cowdenbeath come down but no Lowland League team gets promoted then the 15th team also gets relegated to balance the numbers.

Found the rules after I asked the same thing on the previous page - rule B4: http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Scottish-Lowland-Football-League-Rules-Version-8.pdf

thanks

 

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On 09/02/2018 at 10:53, MDM said:

If required to, where would Whitehill play a 'home' game under lights?

It looks like the teams you've mentioned are satisfying the requirement but depending on the goodwill of other teams to let them use their facility.  

They could always play at Dalkeith - the ground is approved by the SFA for SWPL fixtures and  Livi U20s in their midweek league fixtures previously. 

Edited by CJ Dalk

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After seeing Hawick on Sunday get a point against (an admittedly far from their best) Shire side, is do wonder - is it possible they could actually stay up, after the start they made?

If I'm right in thinking they have ten points to make up, with ten left to play, and and if they play regularly like they did on Sunday it might not be totally impossible. They constantly pressed, forced us into meaningless possession that couldn't hurt them, and were very well organised in defense. Goalie had a great game as well.  It helps them that Star have been remarkably poor this season, they look set to get what in most other seasons would be a bottom-place points tally

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4 hours ago, AlansHotBath said:

After seeing Hawick on Sunday get a point against (an admittedly far from their best) Shire side, is do wonder - is it possible they could actually stay up, after the start they made?

If I'm right in thinking they have ten points to make up, with ten left to play, and and if they play regularly like they did on Sunday it might not be totally impossible. They constantly pressed, forced us into meaningless possession that couldn't hurt them, and were very well organised in defense. Goalie had a great game as well.  It helps them that Star have been remarkably poor this season, they look set to get what in most other seasons would be a bottom-place points tally

Astounding naivety! Hawick will comfortably finish bottom. One unlikely decent result does not a season make, as you’ll rapidly discover.

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23 hours ago, Bundesliga Boy said:

Astounding naivety! Hawick will comfortably finish bottom. One unlikely decent result does not a season make, as you’ll rapidly discover.

After watching Hawick at Raydale today and looking at their remaining fixtures, I agree with AlansHotBath that relegation has not been decided yet.  Hawick were unlucky  not to get at least a point today.  They looked a hard but skillful team,  although their discipline could let them down 

In the run they have at least half a dozen "winnable" games.  Star and Vale will be looking over the shoulders for the next few weeks anyway.

 

Edited by Cicero

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After watching Hawick at Raydale today and looking at their remaining fixtures, I agree with AlansHotBath that relegation has not been decided yet.  Hawick were unlucky  not to get at least a point today.  They looked a hard but skillful team,  although their discipline could let them down 
In the run they have at least half a dozen "winnable" games.  Star and Vale will be looking over the shoulders for the next few weeks anyway.
 

If cove go up and Cowdenbeath come down two teams are relegated

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12 hours ago, Cicero said:

After watching Hawick at Raydale today and looking at their remaining fixtures, I agree with AlansHotBath that relegation has not been decided yet.  Hawick were unlucky  not to get at least a point today.  They looked a hard but skillful team,  although their discipline could let them down 

In the run they have at least half a dozen "winnable" games.  Star and Vale will be looking over the shoulders for the next few weeks anyway.

 

I certainly accept that Hawick are a different proposition now compared to earlier in the season, and appreciate there are ‘winnable’ games left. But they’ve still only managed 1 win in 21 attempts, and need to win 4 of their last 9 to go above Dalbeattie - and that’s assuming they don’t pick up points. Even at that two may go down anyway. 

The battle between EK and Spartans to be champions will be worth watching however over the next month or so.

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