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On 13/10/2017 at 18:23, Bankies Alive said:

Can anybody shed any light on as to why Glasgow Uni are allowed to have their license play in the Scottish Cup yet not be forced to join the "pyramid"?

Glasgow Uni have been members of the SFA for a very long time, and a retrospective reversal of this would be unfair. They would probably join the pyramid if there was a west of Scotland 'senior' league, but this isn't forthcoming.

The other 4 licensed clubs who are outside the pyramid, are

* Linlithgow Rose (became members under the rules that applied when the pyramid was formed, as the requirement to join the pyramid was not specified by the SFA )

* Girvan (have had dual SFA & SJFA membership historically, and therefore retained SFA membership under the same rules 'loophole' as Linlithgow)

* Golspie Sutherland have been members of the SFA for over 50 years, but their is no route for them to join the pyramid (even if they wanted to) as the Highland League operates a closed shop regarding promotion/relegation from/to the North Caledonian League

* Banks O'Dee became members, as per the Linlithgow 'loophole' above), but are excluded from the pyramid by the Highland League's closed shop on promotion and relegation).

Cove Rangers new ground will be ready for use by Easter 2018. If they are HFL champions this season as is likely, defeat the LL champions in the play-off, and (say) replace Cowdenbeath in the SPFL, it would be morally & legally impossible to prevent Banks O'Dee from being accepted into the HFL, as they do want to be a pyramid club.

 

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I don't think they should have given any preferential treatment to clubs who had previously been SFA members.  All clubs should be treated equally.   If a West junior club has to join the pyramid to become licensed then it should have been the same for Glasgow Uni.

Exception being the north clubs who have no possible route in (something the SFA should be dealing with but don't seem to care so far)

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On 11/10/2017 at 08:44, The Mantis said:

Think the pub scenes were in Creetown though. But there were locations all over the place including up north.

The interior pub scenes are the Ellangowan Hotel in Creetown right enough - still looks pretty much the same apart from some framed stills from the film in the bar.  Strangely the exteriors of the boozer are somewhere in Gatehouse of Fleet.

Think they used Newton as a base for filming, but not sure if it actually appears in the film...I know the island town scenes were all filmed in Kirkcudbright.

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November done...

Hawick now a staring at an 11pt deficit afoot LL. Remains very tight above that.

Kelty 5pts clear in EOSL, but Leith & LTHV still pursue.

Lochar lead SOSL, but Threave closed.

 

10   Civil SS    P16   W5 D4  L7   19pts,  -2

11   Whitehill   P15   W6 D1  L8   19pts,  -9

12   Edin Univ   P16   W5 D3  L8   18pts

13   Edusport    P15   W4 D1 L10   13pts,  -8

14   Vale of L   P16   W4 D1 L11   13pts, -23

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15   Dalbeatt.   P13   W3 D2  L8   11pts
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

16   Hawick      P14   W0 D0 L14    0pts


 

 1   Kelty       P11  W11 D0 L0   33pts

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 2   Leith       P10   W9 D1 L0   28pts

 3   Preston     P12   W8 D1 L3   25pts, +18

 4   H-W Univ    P14   W7 D4 L3   25pts,  +2

 5   LTHV         P7   W7 D0 L0   21pts



 

 1   Lochar      P14  W10 D2 L2   32pts

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 2   Threave     P13  W10 D0 L3   30pts, +36
 3
   Heston      P15  W10 D0 L5   30pts,  +4

 4   Bonnyton    P15   W9 D2 L4   29pts

 5   St Cuthb.   P16   W8 D3 L5   27pts
 6   Newton St   P15   W8 D2 L5   26pts 

Edited by HibeeJibee

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Santa hats off to Hawick who got their first point of the season after trailing 2-0 v Dalbeattie... their Christmas would be rosier had they hung-on at 3-2 up to close gap to 8pts, not 11, though.

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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

Santa hats off to Hawick who got their first point of the season after trailing 2-0 v Dalbeattie... their Christmas would be rosier had they hung-on at 3-2 up to close gap to 8pts, not 11, though.

Bbc again getting a Lowland score incorrect listing it as a 3-2 win for Hawick. 

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December is over.

Hawick's woes have worsened as the gap has grown to 12pts. Edusport have pulled themself well clear of the bottom places, while Gala and CSS have slid down the table. Vale of Leithen now occupy the provisional relegation place on GD.

Kelty remain well clear atop EOSL but Leith and LTHV with 5 games-in-hand remain very much in contention.

Threave now lead SOSL, though St Cuthbert or Newton Stewart could yet strike from mid-table.

 

11   Edusport    P19   W6 D3 L10   21pts,  -5

12   Gala        P17   W6 D3  L8   21pts,  -6

13   Civil Ser   P18   W5 D5  L8   20pts

14   Dalbeatt.   P16   W3 D4  L9   13pts, -13

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15   Vale of L   P17   W4 D1 L12   13pts, -24
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

16   Hawick      P16   W0 D1 L15    1pt


 

 1   Kelty       P12  W12 D0 L0   36pts

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 2   Leith       P11   W9 D1 L1   28pts

 3   Preston     P12   W8 D1 L3   25pts, +18

 4   H-W Univ    P14   W7 D4 L3   25pts,  +2

 5   LTHV         P7   W7 D0 L0   21pts



 

 1   Threave     P14  W11 D0 L3   33pts

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 2   Bonnyton    P16  W10 D2 L4   32pts, +40

 3   Lochar      P14  W10 D2 L2   32pts, +28

 4   Heston      P15  W10 D0 L5   30pts

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Hawick thumped at Selkirk today and now have to claw-back over 1pt per game to survive.

Vale thrashed Gala while Dalbeattie got 1pt at Edusport.

Allowing for games-in-hand CSS, Gala and Edinburgh Uni may now look over their shoulders with increased concern.

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4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Hawick thumped at Selkirk today and now have to claw-back over 1pt per game to survive.

Vale thrashed Gala while Dalbeattie got 1pt at Edusport.

Allowing for games-in-hand CSS, Gala and Edinburgh Uni may now look over their shoulders with increased concern.

Hibee Jibee declares the Welfare safe that’s good enough for me :) 

In all seriousness a really solid performance from Whitehill away to the Strollers today. Squad taking shape and definitely a case of looking up the table now. 

Edited by Rab B Nesbit

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:lol: obviously plenty can happen but it would be quite an effort - from everyone below too - for you to drop 5 places and 12pts over the course of 12 games.

Next-up a rescheduled home game v Hawick, also.

Little has been happening in EOSL/SOSL where Kelty and Threave still lead. Interestingly however they met at Kelty in the South Challenge Cup yesterday, where to many's surprise Threave won.

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SOSL has issued its fixtures to the season's end:
 

                Threave         Bonnyton         Lochar          Heston       Mid Annandale

               P14  33pts      P16  32pts      P14  32pts      P15  30pts      P14  29pts
 

Sat 27 Jan    Heston   (H)    Stranr’r (A)    Nithsd’e (H)    Threave  (A)    Upper A. (A)

Sat 03 Feb    Abbey V. (A)    Lochmab. (H)    Upper A. (A)    Annan A. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)

Sat 10 Feb    Creetown (A)    Edusport (A)    St Cuth. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    SoC R2
Sat 17 Feb    Stranr’r (H)    Lochar   (A)    Bonnyton (H)    N. Stew. (A)    Abbey V. (H)
 MID-WEEK     Heston   (H)                                    Threave  (A)

Sat 24 Feb    Bonnyton (H)    Threave  (A)    Lochmab. (H)    Upper A. (A)    St Cuth. (A)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 03 Mar    Edusport (H)    Annan A. (A)    Mid Ann. (H)    Lochmab. (A)    Lochar   (A)    SCC R4

 MID-WEEK     St Cuth. (A)                    Mid Ann. (A)                    Lochar   (H)     HG R2
Sat 10 Mar    Lochmab. (H)    Lochar   (H)    Bonnyton (A)    D’s YMCA (A)    Nithsd’e (A)     CL R1
 MID-WEEK
Sat 17 Mar    Lochar   (H)    Upper A. (H)    Threave  (A)    Creetown (A)    Lochmab. (H)  HC R2/PC SF
 MID-WEEK     Abbey V. (H)
Sat 24 Mar    Lochar   (A)    Creetown (H)    Threave  (H)    Mid Ann. (A)    Heston   (H)
 MID-WEEK     Stranr’r (A)
Sat 31 Mar    St Cuth. (H)    Lochmab. (A)    Creetown (A)    Mid Ann. (H)    Heston   (A)    SCC SF
 MID-WEEK
Sat 07 Apr    Bonnyton (A)    Threave  (H)    Heston   (H)    Lochar   (A)    D’s YMCA (H)
 MID-WEEK     N. Stew. (H)                    D’s YMCA (A)                    Nithsd’e (H)

Sat 14 Apr    Annan A. (H)    St Cuth. (A)    Stranr’r (A)    Creetown (H)    Upper A. (A)*
 MID-WEEK     Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    Upper A. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    D’s YMCA (A)     TC SF
Sat 21 Apr    Mid Ann. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    Annan A. (H)    ------------    Threave  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Mid Ann. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    Bonnyton (A)
Sat 28 Apr    Nithsd’e (A)    Upper A. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    D’s YMCA (H)    Creetown (A)
Sat 05 May                                                                                    Playoff
Sat 12 May                                                                                    Playoff
Sun 20 May                                                                                    SCC Fin

Not shown:
Southern Counties Cup    R3 / SF / Fin
Cree Lodge Cup           R2 / SF / Fin

Haig Gordon Cup               SF / Fin
Potts Cup                          Fin
Tweedie Cup                        Fin

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EOSL:
 

                 Kelty            LTHV

               P13  39pts       P8  24pts

 

Sat 27 Jan    Ormiston (A)    H-W Univ (A)
Sat 03 Feb    St U EOS (H)    Burntis. (H)
 MID-WEEK                     V. of L. (H)    EQC SF
Sat 10 Feb    Tynecas. (A)    Coldstr. (A)

 MID-WEEK     LTHV     (A)    Kelty    (H)     LC SF
Sat 17 Feb    Coldstr. (H)    Peebles  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Preston  (A)
Sat 24 Feb    Peebles  (H)    Eyem’th  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Tynecas. (A)
Sat 03 Mar    Burntis. (A)    Ormiston (H)     KC R1
 MID-WEEK                     Leith    (H)     KC R1
Sat 10 Mar    Tynecas. (H)    Leith    (A)
 MID-WEEK                                      EC SF
Sat 17 Mar    Tweedm’h (H)    Tynecas. (H)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 24 Mar                                  KC R2/EQC Fin

 MID-WEEK

Sat 31 Mar    H-W Univ (A)    Eyemouth (H)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 07 Apr    Leith    (H)    Preston  (H)     LC Fin

 MID-WEEK                                      EC Fin
Sat 14 Apr                                     KC SF

 MID-WEEK

Sat 21 Apr             ( )             ( )

 MID-WEEK

Sat 28 Apr             ( )             ( )

Sat 05 May                                    Playoff

Sat 12 May                                    Playoff

Sun 20 May

Sat 26 May                                     KC Fin
 

No date yet   LTHV     (H)    Kelty    (H)

              LTHV     (A)    Leith    (H)

                              Tweedm’h (H)

                              Kelty    (A)

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January is over. It's been a good month for Vale of Leithen who have pulled themselves above Dalbeattie and opened-up a 5pt gap. Bad month for the Islecroft men who as things stand would be hoping on neither EOSL / SOSL champion being licensed, or HL champion not winning promotion to SPFL2. Hawick are still winless.

Kelty and LTHV still have 100% records in EOSL.

SOSL a "mixing pot".

 

11   Civil SS    P21   W6 D5 L10   23pts
12   Edin Univ   P21   W6 D4 L11   22pts

13   Gala        P20   W6 D3 L11   21pts

14   Vale of L   P19   W6 D1 L12   19pts

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15   Dalbeatt.   P19   W3 D5 L11   14pts
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

16   Hawick      P17   W0 D1 L16    1pt


 

 1   Kelty       P14  W14 D0 L0   42pts

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 2   Leith       P14  W10 D2 L2   32pts

 3   Preston     P14  W10 D1 L3   31pts

 4   H-W Univ    P17   W8 D5 L4   29pts

 5   LTHV         P9   W9 D0 L0   27pts
 6   Peebles     P12   W7 D0 L5   21pts



 

 1   Bonnyton    P17  W11 D2 L4   35pts, +43 
--------------------------------------------
 2   Lochar      P15  W11 D2 L2   35pts, +30

 3   Threave     P14  W11 D0 L3   33pts, +43

 4   St Cuthb.   P18  W10 D3 L5   33pts, +22

 5   Heston      P15  W10 D0 L5   30pts
 6   Mid Ann'e   P14   W9 D2 L3   29pts


 

Edited by HibeeJibee

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Went to see Hawick this afternoon at Highmoo and I’ll be stunned if they’re not bottom come the end of the season 

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On 27/01/2018 at 21:41, heedthebaa said:

Went to see Hawick this afternoon at Highmoo and I’ll be stunned if they’re not bottom come the end of the season 

Being very black and white about it, if we assume that Dalbeattie will pick up some more points this season, say 7, that would leave HRA needing 21 to overtake them. 21 points from 15 games is not great but probably Gala Fairydean / Vale of Leithen form to date. So unless Hawick sign an entire team of the standard of Vale of Leithen now (and they gel immediately), they will be bottom and by some distance.

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Can’t believe Dalbeattie are struggling so badly this season.

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If Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Clyde etc. get relegated with a Highland League club winning the play-off, will 15th place in the Lowland League also get relegated to allow the winners of the EoSFL/SoSFL play-off to take their place?

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21 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

If Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Clyde etc. get relegated with a Highland League club winning the play-off, will 15th place in the Lowland League also get relegated to allow the winners of the EoSFL/SoSFL play-off to take their place?

That's it in essence. 15th & 16th in the Lowland League would be relegated to make room for the relegated SPFL club & EoSFL/SoSFL playoff winner.

 

 

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On 2/5/2018 at 16:51, FairWeatherFan said:

That's it in essence. 15th & 16th in the Lowland League would be relegated to make room for the relegated SPFL club & EoSFL/SoSFL playoff winner.

 

 

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

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