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24 minutes ago, bluedragon said:

Great memories! I assume Willie Gardiner is the “Gardiner (Bo’ness United)” I have listed who won three Junior caps in 1951 scoring three goals?

 

14 minutes ago, Standalone said:

That is correct.

Thank you. It is good to confirm the first name as there were always sets of brothers playing at the same time. On that topic I have “Ormond (Bo’ness United)” capped in 1957. Is this Willie Ormond’s brother Gibby? It is around the right time but I have him signing for Airdrie from Kilsyth Rangers, not Bo’ness, on 26 September 1957.

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1 hour ago, bluedragon said:

 

Thank you. It is good to confirm the first name as there were always sets of brothers playing at the same time. On that topic I have “Ormond (Bo’ness United)” capped in 1957. Is this Willie Ormond’s brother Gibby? It is around the right time but I have him signing for Airdrie from Kilsyth Rangers, not Bo’ness, on 26 September 1957.

Correct again, Gibby was transfered to Kilsyth and then to Airdrie. Like the other two, he was also a Falkirk Bairn.

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3 hours ago, Standalone said:

Correct again, Gibby was transfered to Kilsyth and then to Airdrie. Like the other two, he was also a Falkirk Bairn.

Thanks Standalone. I wonder if, while we are on a roll, you have first names for the following Bo'ness United Junior Internationals?

 Bell  capped in 1969

Chambers capped in 1966

Donnelly capped in 2013

Fleming capped in 2010

Jim (?)  Hogg capped in 1951

McBain capped in 1953

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I am indebted to Monalie for alerting me to a list of double internationalists on Wikipedia. This had 17 more names than our list but we had 8 more than Wikipedia. Here is the latest list of 45 players with the new additions and one amendment shown in bold. 

Johnny Anderson (Arthurlie and Leicester City) 2 & 1

Matt Armstrong (Port Glasgow and Aberdeen) 1 Junior cap & 3 Full caps

Alex Bennett (Rutherglen Glencairn and Celtic/Rangers) 3 (+1 to be confirmed) & 11

John Brown (Prestwick Glenburn Rovers/Shawfield and Clyde) 3 & 1

Jimmy Brownlie (Blantyre Victoria and Third Lanark) 1 & 16

Kenny Campbell (Cambuslang Rangers and  Liverpool/Partick Thistle) 2 & 8

Steve Chalmers (Ashfield and Celtic) 1 & 5

Donald Colman (Maryhill and Aberdeen) 2 (+1 to be confirmed) & 4

Jimmy Connor (Glasgow Perthshire and Sunderland) 1 & 4

Pat Crerand (Duntocher Hibs and Celtic/Manchester United) 3 & 16

Johnny Crum (Ashfield and Celtic) 1 & 2

Andy Cunningham (Newmilns and Rangers ) 1 & 12

Kenny Dalglish (Cumbernauld United & Celtic/Liverpool) 1 & 102

Dixie Deans (Neilston Juniors and Celtic) 1 & 2

Bobby Dougan (Shawfield and Heart of Midlothian) 3 & 1

Jimmy Dunn (St Anthonys and Hibernian/Everton) 1 & 6

Bob Foyers (Burnbank Swifts and St Bernards) 1 & 2

John Gilchrist (St Anthonys and Celtic)  1 & 1

Jimmy Gordon (Renfrew Victoria and Rangers) 2 & 10

Dougie Gray (Mugiemoss and Rangers) 2 & 10

Bobby Hogg (Royal Albert and Celtic) 3 & 1

Drew Jarvie (Kilsyth Rangers and Airdrieonians) 2 & 3

Jimmy Johnstone (Blantyre Celtic and Celtic) 1 & 23

George Key (Parkhead and Heart of Midlothian) 1 & 1

James Lawrence (Glasgow Perthshire and Newcastle United) 1 & 1

Willie Lennie (Maryhill and Aberdeen)  1 & 2

Tommy Low (Parkhead and Rangers) 1 & 1

Tommy McInally  (Maryhill and Celtic) 2 & 2

Dave Mackay (Newtongrange Star and Heart of Midlothian/Tottenham Hotspur) 1 & 22

Brian Martin (Shotts Bon Accord and Motherwell)  4 & 2

Hugh Morgan (Longriggend Wanderers and St Mirren/Liverpool) 1 & 2

Willie Muir (Glenbuck Athletic and Dundee) 1 &1

Peter Nellies (Douglas Water Thistle and Heart of Midlothian) 1 & 2

Willie Pettigrew (East Kilbride Thistle and Motherwell) 2 & 5

Pat Quinn (Bridgeton Waverley and Motherwell)  1 & 4

James Raeside (Parkhead and Third Lanark) 1 & 1

Harry Rennie (Greenock Volunteers and Heart of Midlothian/Hibernian) 1 & 13

Alex Scott (Bo'ness United and Rangers/Everton) 2 & 16

Jim Scott (Bo’ness United and Hibernian) 1 & 1

Nicol Smith (Darvel Juniors and Rangers) 1 & 12

Scot Symon (Dundee Violet and Rangers) 1 & 1

Bobby Walker (Dalry Primrose and Heart of Midlothian) 1 & 29

Paul Wilson (Blantyre Celtic and Celtic) 1 & 1

Benny Yorston (Mugiemoss and Aberdeen) 1 & 1

Ian Wallace (Yoker Athletic and Coventry City) 1 & 3

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2 hours ago, bluedragon said:

Thanks Standalone. I wonder if, while we are on a roll, you have first names for the following Bo'ness United Junior Internationals?

 Bell  capped in 1969

Chambers capped in 1966

Donnelly capped in 2013

Fleming capped in 2010

Jim (?)  Hogg capped in 1951

McBain capped in 1953

John ( but not positive) Bell

Richard ( Dick) Chambers

Chris Donnelly

Derek Fleming

Jimmy Hogg

Andrew McBlain (not McBain)

Cheers.

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Thanks Standalone - much appreciated. Can I ask one more favour please? Could you cast your eye over these other Bo'ness United Junior Internationals to see if there are any mis-spellings, etc. It does include some of those names we have discussed earlier.  Thank you. 

Alex Scott 1952 & 1955

Willie Dickson 1947

Roger Duffin 2010

Andrew Dunleavie 1983

Gibby Ormond 1957

Steve Hislop 2013

Jim Scott 1959

Jim Sinnet 1985

James McGowan 1947

J McMeechin 1968

John "Ian" McQueen 1969

Jim McQueen 1981

Jim Mitchell 1949

Willie Pryde 1947

John Robertson 1981

Andrew Scobie 1976

Lex Shields 1981

Will Snowdon 2013

Jim Stewart 1980

Willie Temperley 1976

Willie Ferguson 1976

Willie Gardiner 1951

Willie Wilson 1948

John "Ian" Woodecki 1970

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1 hour ago, bluedragon said:

Thanks Standalone - much appreciated. Can I ask one more favour please? Could you cast your eye over these other Bo'ness United Junior Internationals to see if there are any mis-spellings, etc. It does include some of those names we have discussed earlier.  Thank you. 

Alex Scott 1952 & 1955

Willie Dickson 1947

Roger Duffin 2010

Andrew Dunleavie 1983

Gibby Ormond 1957

Steve Hislop 2013

Jim Scott 1959

Jim Sinnet 1985

James McGowan 1947

J McMeechin 1968

John "Ian" McQueen 1969

Jim McQueen 1981

Jim Mitchell 1949

Willie Pryde 1947

John Robertson 1981

Andrew Scobie 1976

Lex Shields 1981

Will Snowdon 2013

Jim Stewart 1980

Willie Temperley 1976

Willie Ferguson 1976

Willie Gardiner 1951

Willie Wilson 1948

John "Ian" Woodecki 1970

All names ok., except for Johnny McGowan 1947, Joe McMeechan 1968, Willie Mitchell 1949. Hope this completes your list now Bluedragon.

Cheers.

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19 hours ago, Standalone said:

Correct again, Gibby was transfered to Kilsyth and then to Airdrie. Like the other two, he was also a Falkirk Bairn.

Kilsyth were playing Linlithgow Rose in a pre-season game about ten years ago. The referee introduced himself to us as the son of Gibby Ormond

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39 minutes ago, Borrowstounness said:

On BU players I think 1981 was Ian McQueen again. His brother Jim had left Bo'ness by 1981. It may be the longest gap between a first and second cap, 1969 and 1981.

Thanks for that. I have been back to the Evening Times report of the match in 1981 to check and it says it was Ian. 

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I have some more amendments to this list of Junior/Full caps:

1) Bobby Templeton played for Kilmarnock Rugby XI and was selected to play for Junior Scotland versus England in 1898. He was signed Hibernian immediately afterwards. I have added:

Bobby Templeton (Kilmarnock Rugby XI and Aston Villa/Newcastle United/Woolwich Arsenal/Kilmarnock) 1 & 11

Bobby Templeton famously was said to have put his head in a lion's mouth to win a bet!

2 I found some more matches played by Peter Nellis but where his surname was mis-spelt. This makes his record:

Peter Nellies (Douglas Water Thistle and Heart of Midlothian) 4 & 2

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Here is the current list (in alphabetical order of surname) of  the 54 players capped at both Junior and Senior level. 

Johnny Anderson (Arthurlie and Leicester City) 2 Junior caps & 1 Full cap

Matt Armstrong (Port Glasgow and Aberdeen) 1 & 3

Robert Beattie (Kilwinning Rangers and Preston North End) 2 & 1

Alex Bennett (Rutherglen Glencairn and Celtic/Rangers) 4 & 11

John Brown (Prestwick Glenburn Rovers/Shawfield and Clyde) 3 & 1

Jimmy Brownlie (Blantyre Victoria and Third Lanark) 1 & 16

Kenny Campbell (Cambuslang Rangers and Liverpool/Partick Thistle) 2 & 8

Steve Chalmers (Ashfield and Celtic) 1 & 5

Donald Colman (Maryhill and Aberdeen) 3 & 4

Jimmy Connor (Glasgow Perthshire and Sunderland) 1 & 4

Pat Crerand (Duntocher Hibs and Celtic/Manchester United) 3 & 16

James Croal (Falkirk Juniors and Falkirk) 2 & 3

Johnny Crum (Ashfield and Celtic) 1 & 2

Andy Cunningham (Newmilns and Rangers) 1 & 12

Kenny Dalglish (Cumbernauld United & Celtic/Liverpool) 1 & 102

Dixie Deans (Neilston Juniors and Celtic) 1 & 2

Bobby Dougan (Shawfield and Heart of Midlothian) 3 & 1

Jimmy Dunn (St Anthonys and Hibernian/Everton) 1 & 6

Bob Foyers (Burnbank Swifts and St Bernards) 1 & 2

Jack Fyfe (South Western and Third Lanark) 1 & 1

John Gilchrist (St Anthonys and Celtic) 1 & 1

Jimmy Gordon (Renfrew Victoria and Rangers) 2 & 10

Dougie Gray (Mugiemoss and Rangers) 2 & 10

James Hamilton (Vale of Clyde and St Mirren)

Bobby Hogg (Royal Albert and Celtic) 3 & 1

Drew Jarvie (Kilsyth Rangers and Airdrieonians) 2 & 3

Jimmy Johnstone (Blantyre Celtic and Celtic) 1 & 23

Johnny Kelly (Arthurlie and Barnsley) 3 & 2

George Key (Parkhead and Heart of Midlothian) 1 & 1

James Lawrence (Glasgow Perthshire and Newcastle United) 1 & 1

Willie Lennie (Maryhill and Aberdeen) 1 & 2

Danny Liddle (Wallyford Bluebell and East Fife) 1 & 3

Tommy Low (Parkhead and Rangers) 1 & 1

Dave Mackay (Newtongrange Star and Heart of Midlothian/Tottenham Hotspur) 1 & 22

Brian Martin (Shotts Bon Accord and Motherwell) 4 & 2

Tommy McInally (St Anthony's and Celtic) 2 & 2

Hugh Morgan (Longriggend Wanderers and St Mirren/Liverpool) 1 & 2

Willie Muir (Glenbuck Athletic and Dundee) 1 & 1

George Mulhall (Kilsyth Rangers and Aberdee/Sunderland) 1 & 3

Peter Nellies (Douglas Water Thistle and Heart of Midlothian) 3 & 2

Willie Pettigrew (East Kilbride Thistle and Motherwell) 2 & 5

Pat Quinn (Bridgeton Waverley and Motherwell) 1 & 4

James Raeside (Parkhead and Third Lanark) 1 & 1

Harry Rennie (Greenock Volunteers and Heart of Midlothian/Hibernian) 1 & 13

Alex Scott (Bo'ness United and Rangers/Everton) 2 & 16

Jim Scott (Bo’ness United and Hibernian) 1 & 1

Nicol Smith (Darvel Juniors and Rangers) 1 & 12

Scot Symon (Dundee Violet and Rangers) 1 & 1

Bobby Templeton (Kilmarnock Rugby XI and Aston Villa/Newcastle United/Woolwich Arsenal/Kilmarnock) 1 & 11

Bobby Walker (Dalry Primrose and Heart of Midlothian) 1 & 29

Ian Wallace (Yoker Athletic and Coventry City) 1 & 3

Andy Weir (Arthurlie and Motherwell) 1 & 6

Paul Wilson (Blantyre Celtic and Celtic) 1 & 1

Benny Yorston (Mugiemoss and Aberdeen) 1 & 1

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18 hours ago, poity_uk said:

Wasn't Dixie Deans actually John Deans?

Yes that is correct. I have “Dixie” Deans’ full name as John Kelly Deans. The Dixie of course coming from the Everton & England striker “Dixie” Dean and the origins of his nickname are lost in the mists of time although there are some theories. Apparently the original Dixie disliked the nickname whereas by all accounts the second one loved it because of the association with the goal scoring Evertonian.  

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