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4 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 


I don't think he's overrated, he's a class act at times but can't seem to keep it up for a sustained period.

 

That must really frustrate his Mrs. He should try Viagra.

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21 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Aye that's pretty much how I saw it.

He lets it run across him with the intention of picking up inside the box but panics a wee bit and picks it up early.  At no point though did I feel like the Saints player is favourite for the ball or that Carson picks it up because he feels the Saints player is getting there.

Would probably need to watch in more detail though.

Edit: Had posted a different image but there's a much better still of it. You're talking about it being a couple of inches off the line at worst.

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21 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Aye that's pretty much how I saw it.

He lets it run across him with the intention of picking up inside the box but panics a wee bit and picks it up early.  At no point though did I feel like the Saints player is favourite for the ball or that Carson picks it up because he feels the Saints player is getting there.

Would probably need to watch in more detail though.

I think he could have charitably got a yellow. But any keeper who handles outside his box with a striker reasonably close is asking for trouble, particularly when it is obviously a panic reaction to thinking the striker might get there. I dont think he can have too many complaints.

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1 hour ago, capt_oats said:

Edit: Had posted a different image but there's a much better still of it. You're talking about it being a couple of inches off the line at worst.

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I would say his right hand is at least 6 inches outside but its completely irrelevant. He either handles it outside the box or he doesnt. And he plainly does. Matters little whether its a centimetre or 15 yards. Saying its only just outside the box is like saying someone is just a little bit pregnant.

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Nowhere in the rules does it say that handling outside the box is an automatic red card. Only if denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity and this was not an obvious goalscoring opportunity. 

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35 minutes ago, brainier said:

Only if denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity and this was not an obvious goalscoring opportunity. 

Matter of interpretation surely? Ref thought it was and so did the keeper - otherwise why pick up outside the box? Fair enough to have a different view, but it wasn't a decision that was clearly wrong.

Motherwell have a decent shout for the third red being rescinded, but the first two were daft.

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Obvious clear goalscoring opportunity? If Motherwell appeal that's where they will have grounds. That and Craig Thomson being useless.

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1 minute ago, brainier said:

Obvious clear goalscoring opportunity? If Motherwell appeal that's where they will have grounds. That and Craig Thomson being useless.

And they might win. I dont think its a sure thing though. It was a good enough goalscoring opportunity that the keeper felt he needed to do it. I dont think its an obvious refereeing error, it's debatable.

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6 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

And they might win. I dont think its a sure thing though. It was a good enough goalscoring opportunity that the keeper felt he needed to do it. I dont think its an obvious refereeing error, it's debatable.

That's kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned how close it was to the line, I totally take your point above that outside the box is outside the box but given how close the ball was to the line there's a reasonable argument there that it was a misjudgement rather than anything more cynical and that a red card was too severe and that a yellow would have sufficed.

In honesty the way I had read some Saints fans talk about it I thought the incident had been more like this:

 

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1 minute ago, capt_oats said:

That's kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned how close it was to the line, I totally take your point above that outside the box is outside the box but given how close the ball was to the line there's a reasonable argument there that it was a misjudgement rather than anything more cynical and that a red card was too severe and that a yellow would have sufficed.

In honesty the way I had read some Saints fans talk about it I thought the incident had been more like this:

 

As I said last night my first instinct was that he misjudged it and probably wasn't a red card.

I just think it's such a key decision in the match you need to be absolutely certain before pulling out the red card.

 

 

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As soon as I saw the Capt had posted I knew we were going to be treated to yet another picture. We get it. You think you were hard done to. I'm sure you've been up all night compiling a 500 page pictorial dossier to send to the SFA to show what an absolutely horrific, life changing mistake Thomson made and the ball was really 0.0000000000000001 of a mm nearer the line than Saints fans said. 

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Must admit - I thought he was further outside the box than he actually was. It might've just been because I didn't have a great angle for the incident as the goalkeeper kind of had his back to me as went back into the box.

Looked to me like Wotherspoon was going to nick the ball if the goalie hadn't intervened and he decided to go with his hands. Whether he would've made anything of it is an entirely different matter, but  I suppose that's why the referee gave him the red card.

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15 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

That's kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned how close it was to the line, I totally take your point above that outside the box is outside the box but given how close the ball was to the line there's a reasonable argument there that it was a misjudgement rather than anything more cynical and that a red card was too severe and that a yellow would have sufficed.

All about how its interpreted. With no axe to grind on either club I would have sent him off. He knows its outside. His foot is planted outside and he picks it up in front of that. The misjudgement was in thinking the ball would carry into the box not where he actually was. At the end of the day if it isnt a goalscoring opportunity why does he pick it up? He obviously thinks Wotherspoon is close enough to need it picked up then. 

However I concede its not black and white and others may see it differently. After Celtic somehow won that Scott Brown appeal last season I gave up predicting the outcome of appeals!

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Retrospective bans for Stokes (how did the ref not send him off, he could have had 2 straight reds) and Cummins for the dive to win Saints penalty. Motherwell should appeal Dunne's red, Carson's maybe could have just been a yellow, but Wotherspoon is right next to him when he handles it, so it's pretty subjective. Oh and Biton's tackle was a stonewall penalty, the ref even had a clear view of it, so can't understand why he didn't give it?

Simon Murray player of the week. Aye he's in a purple patch but its amazing how moving to a different club can suddenly make someone look so much better. Wee mention for Steven Boyd at Accies, also loved MacLean's finish for Saints first goal.

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Retrospective bans for Stokes (how did the ref not send him off, he could have had 2 straight reds) and Cummins for the dive to win Saints penalty. Motherwell should appeal Dunne's red, Carson's maybe could have just been a yellow, but Wotherspoon is right next to him when he handles it, so it's pretty subjective. Oh and Biton's tackle was a stonewall penalty, the ref even had a clear view of it, so can't understand why he didn't give it?
Simon Murray player of the week. Aye he's in a purple patch but its amazing how moving to a different club can suddenly make someone look so much better. Wee mention for Steven Boyd at Accies, also loved MacLean's finish for Saints first goal.

I'd have no objections to a retrospective 2nd booking being applied to Stokes for the incident with Jack. If that happens though, Dorrans should be getting one too since he grabbed Slivka by the throat which is what sparked the second melee. He'd also be due a red if Stokes gets one since he done exactly the same thing.

And sportscene somehow managed to miss speaking about Dorrans at all... Must be the kafflick conspiracy to blame.

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That last red was really harsh I thought.

Loved McLean pointing at McHugh and looking like a crazy b*****d.


Really harsh. Under the new rules is that not a yellow?

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Really harsh. Under the new rules is that not a yellow?


If he had touched him then yeah it should've just been a yellow totally accidental. Think that'll get over turned.

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Really harsh. Under the new rules is that not a yellow?


Yellow if it's accidental, red if it's intentional. At the time it looked identical, from the east stand. Replays make it look like a dive

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Neutrals are missing out on the fact that Cummins is such a big useless lump he makes Connor Sammon look good. I would not be the slightest bit surprised if he just tripped in his excitement at maybe being able to actually hit the target for once given he was only a few yards out. You're talking about someone that zipped a track suit top to his eye lashes when trying to put in on and had to be taken to hospital.

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Canning with the club turtleneck on again. Can it really be coincidence that Hamilton look sprightly this season? It must lift the players during training to see the big guy looking suave yet determined.

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