Work colleagues

[welshbairn]

The Inverness Courier has been running stories about a culture of bullying at NHS Highland for years, and millions have been spent by the authorities  investigating it, but no one has been sacked or disciplined afaik. Some of the people making the allegations I vaguely know, and I'm sure they're not making it up, but in all that time the Courier has never described an actual incidence of bullying, just people having to take time off or resign due to stress, so it's hard to tell what they're talking about.

[D.A.F.C]

Obviously I cant be too specific and you've picked up some things wrongly. I didnt go above someone's head without speaking to them first.
It was a last resort. I spoke to them directly and asked them why I was hearing them talk about me as if my job was in danger. Giving actual specific examples and also saying it wasnt happening all the time to everyone, just some. Actually the hardest workers and people who asked questions of why we did things certain ways.
Theres also other very specific things that create divisions such as playing favourites and letting others spy and tell tales, turning others against each other.
Like I said I cant go into specifics and I also clearly know the difference between banter and actual intended nasty threatening behaviour.
I find a pattern of people who have never experienced bullying telling me about bullying. Seems odd, how can you be an authority on something you've never experienced?

[Bairnardo]

Have you tried offering anyone out?

[D.A.F.C]

The Inverness Courier has been running stories about a culture of bullying at NHS Highland for years, and millions have been spent by the authorities  investigating it, but no one has been sacked or disciplined afaik. Some of the people making the allegations I vaguely know, and I'm sure they're not making it up, but in all that time the Courier has never described an actual incidence of bullying, just people having to take time off or resign due to stress, so it's hard to tell what they're talking about.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/report-cultural-issues-related-allegations-bullying-harassment-nhs-highland/

Read this. It took 10 seconds to find.
Bullying has cost millions in the nhs. Money that should be spent on patients.
Bullying also made bankers keep quiet yet it caused a global financial meltdown.
I'm sure it was all in their heads though.
Who cares right? It's just a financial crisis.

[D.A.F.C]

Have you tried offering anyone out?

Not sure what that means.

[Bairnardo]

Just now, D.A.F.C said:

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Have you tried offering anyone out?
 

Not sure what that means.

Square go

[D.A.F.C]

Square go

Several people have come to violence but theres no problem apparently.

They actually promoted someone to manage people who has been attacked because they're so bad at dealing with people. Its fucked up and too far gone to fix tbh

 

[Bairnardo]

10 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Several people have come to violence but theres no problem apparently.

They actually promoted someone to manage people who has been attacked because they're so bad at dealing with people. Its fucked up and too far gone to fix tbh

 

I wasnt being entirely silly. Perhaps you need to do a wee bit of fight fire with fire if its as bad as you say?

 

[PB1994]

I’m staggered you think not getting invited to spend time with work colleagues outside of work is a negative thing.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

 

K so get the workforce to unionise, put in a subject access request for all emails with your name in the title or the body of the text a month afterwards, if you get turfed out for doing something that's your right, plus all your other evidence I think you'll do OK at a tribunal tbh. If not then you've got a unionised workforce and things will get dramatically better. Win-win.

 

This. Always unionise. 

Offer to be the steward too. 

[GordonD]

9 hours ago, Muzza81 said:

Someone stole my sandwich once

If it was cheese I can suggest where you start looking...

[CountyFan]

1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said:

Several people have come to violence but theres no problem apparently.

They actually promoted someone to manage people who has been attacked because they're so bad at dealing with people. Its fucked up and too far gone to fix tbh

 

Mate, genuinely, if it's the bad why don't you leave? 

Managing staff is a fucking nightmare btw, just to stick up for all the decent bosses out there. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

Obviously I cant be too specific and you've picked up some things wrongly. I didnt go above someone's head without speaking to them first.
It was a last resort. I spoke to them directly and asked them why I was hearing them talk about me as if my job was in danger. Giving actual specific examples and also saying it wasnt happening all the time to everyone, just some. Actually the hardest workers and people who asked questions of why we did things certain ways.
Theres also other very specific things that create divisions such as playing favourites and letting others spy and tell tales, turning others against each other.
Like I said I cant go into specifics and I also clearly know the difference between banter and actual intended nasty threatening behaviour.
I find a pattern of people who have never experienced bullying telling me about bullying. Seems odd, how can you be an authority on something you've never experienced?

SHUT UP!

[Dee Man]

21 hours ago, NJ2 said:

A knock to the head suggests he’s not the hardest in his workplace at all. Add to that folk stealing his pieces. 2 and 2 don’t make 5. Muzza would lose a fight to the serially skelped Dee Man imo

I noticed you never tagged me in this in the hope that it flew under the radar - you're claimed ya c**t.

[mizfit]

One of the managers at my work is quite good at making sly digs and passing remarks that can be classed as bullying.

Anytime they’ve tried something with me, I just ignore it, or say something right back.

[ICTChris]

I think one reason why bullying happens is that people are promoted to management jobs without being properly trained or without having their aptitude for managing people properly assessed. In one of my previous jobs if you got to a certain level on the scale you *had*to manage people. That meant that if a really good technician or technical architect, for example, wanted to progress they had to become a people manager. Not everyone is suited to that, some people really aren’t suited to it.

[OSP]

9 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I think one reason why bullying happens is that people are promoted to management jobs without being properly trained or without having their aptitude for managing people properly assessed. In one of my previous jobs if you got to a certain level on the scale you *had*to manage people. That meant that if a really good technician or technical architect, for example, wanted to progress they had to become a people manager. Not everyone is suited to that, some people really aren’t suited to it.

Exactly the problem in my work. Specialists promoted to management because there was no other way up. All the human interaction skills of a wet cardboard box between them.

[DiegoDiego]

I've seen a few instances of workplace bullying in my time.
If I made a simple mistake, like forgetting to switch something off, one of my old managers would say "Hey, DiegoDiego, remember to switch everything off if you're the last one out." but if my colleague made the same error she'd blow it way out of proportion and berate him.

The same manager told another employee who was about to go on holiday "Have a great time, it won't be the same without you..." and so on then as soon as she was out the door turned around to us and said "Thank f**k she's away for two weeks."

She was also granted two weeks additional holiday because she already had a honeymoon booked before taking the job. She returned from said honeymoon to declare she was pregnant and took the maximum paid maternity leave before quiting on her first day back.

[Guest Moomintroll]

I think one reason why bullying happens is that people are promoted to management jobs without being properly trained or without having their aptitude for managing people properly assessed. In one of my previous jobs if you got to a certain level on the scale you *had*to manage people. That meant that if a really good technician or technical architect, for example, wanted to progress they had to become a people manager. Not everyone is suited to that, some people really aren’t suited to it.

I know what you mean but I still despair at this kind of attitude if you get promoted. Treat people fairly & consistently, if they are an arsehole then they should not have been elevated in the first place, that is your (as in my) fault in the first place, retrain, counsel then if all else fails, demote. Be dispassionate & put yourself in the shoes of the other person, if you think you are being a p***k, you are being a p***k. Never be afraid to sack someone if bullying, sexist, racist or aggressive behaviour is taking place no matter how good they are at their job.

Basically just be clear about everyone's responsibilities, do not be a rollercoaster manager who brings their problems into work while telling everyone else not to. Be honest, consistent & be prepared to defend people when you know Policy is f**ked up & it will work out well when the shit hits the fan as everyone knows you have their back & they will reciprocate.

 

[Cardinal Richelieu]

I was recently promoted to being a manager and whilst I'm definitely not an arsehole (in fact, I'm quite the pushover), I'm also not a very good manager. 

I recently heard about the Peter Principle. Basically, people who are good at their job keep getting promoted until they reach a level where they are no longer competent - and at that point they're stuck there. Hence why there are so many shite managers. 

Including me.