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9 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Like it or not football is a pyramid system at every level and unless you change the system at Uefa level and implement all of these suggestions such as revenue sharing, salary caps, limits on foreigners then it’s just blue sky thinking. 

We aren’t going to be getting a cut of Real Madrids revenues, we aren’t going to be given a handout by PSG, Man City aren’t going to reduce their salaries to make it fairer for us so the option presented with us is a singular one and that is use the resources at our disposal and try get better.

Thats the reality and it’s the one I’ll face into with optimism. You won’t hear me say it’s pointless or meaningless or that we should just start playing our reserves

I don't think many are suggesting what you say here is wrong, but I would argue the whole "the reality is one I'll face into with optimism" chat is a false equivalence given sporadic forays into Europe's premier competition where Celtic (and Rangers) are probably just happy to make up the numbers, is vastly different from the every day domestic reality other Scottish clubs face.

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5 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

I’ll say it again, it is Real Madrid who are currently the best team in Europe, were you expecting us in reality to lay much of a glove on them and not be outclassed? Since we were last in this competition they have won it twice 😂

You either have a really high opinion of us or a low opinion of Real, i can’t quite figure out which 

Yes and as such it's a bit naive to think you can play your normal game against them and not come unstuck. At the very least you try something different and maybe get a draw, or sneak a 1-0 win. It's basically accepting you'll lose, but doing so in a plucky manner makes it seem less of a defeat.

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5 hours ago, Leith Green said:

Dont get me wrong, Madrid are a fantastic team - but the tactical side of things can be more important at that level than SPFL premiership.

It was poor game management from their opponents (who also thought they could continue with the gung ho "we are relentless" stuff) as well as fantastic play - and an wonderful bench - which won Madrid the European Cup in May.

It would've been interesting if Celtic had managed to score, but i think it would've been like Argentina v England, where Argentina just stepped up a gear and scored a goal whenever they needed to do so. But yep, Celtic just played into their hands going at it high intensity first half, running out of steam in the 2nd. If you listen to Ancelotti's post match interview, he knew exactly what they'd do, and knew they could run rings around them 2nd half scoring however many they wanted/needed/could be arsed.

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Just now, Henrik's tongue said:

Aye that’s called hindsight, mate.

You really believe he's just saying that post match and is lying about knowing Celtic would press with intensity, even Celtic fans knew you'd do that, the media & pundits knew you'd do it, everyone knew it, it was wholly predictable. And Ange didn't disappoint, one dimensional tactics works against cannon fodder in the domestic games, not so much in Europe against better teams though. 

Ange says he isn't happy with the defeat, so why play in a way that was always going to have the same outcome?

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5 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

You really believe he's just saying that post match and is lying about knowing Celtic would press with intensity, even Celtic fans knew you'd do that, the media & pundits knew you'd do it, everyone knew it, it was wholly predictable. And Ange didn't disappoint, one dimensional tactics works against cannon fodder in the domestic games, not so much in Europe against better teams though. 

Ange says he isn't happy with the defeat, so why play in a way that was always going to have the same outcome?

 No. I was just trying (and failing miserably) to be a smartarse.

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14 minutes ago, Henrik's tongue said:

Hopefully her next lecture is on how to improve parody user names.

Ohhhh, the burn....it hurts us, precious.

 

ETA: Re your username, is it about a body part or does he own a village in Sutherland?

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21 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Yes and as such it's a bit naive to think you can play your normal game against them and not come unstuck. At the very least you try something different and maybe get a draw, or sneak a 1-0 win. It's basically accepting you'll lose, but doing so in a plucky manner makes it seem less of a defeat.

Our normal game saw us almost take the lead several times. We had the better chances in the first half and Maeda missed an absolute sitter.

Changing our game may have saw us create f**k all and get battered anyway which is what used to happen with Brendan Rodgers.

So nah I’m glad we had a go, nothing ventured and all that

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2 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Our normal game saw us almost take the lead several times. We had the better chances in the first half and Maeda missed an absolute sitter.

Changing our game may have saw us create f**k all and get battered anyway which is what used to happen with Brendan Rodgers.

So nah I’m glad we had a go, nothing ventured and all that

I think it’s wonderful that they care so much. 

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23 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Our normal game saw us almost take the lead several times. We had the better chances in the first half and Maeda missed an absolute sitter.

Changing our game may have saw us create f**k all and get battered anyway which is what used to happen with Brendan Rodgers.

So nah I’m glad we had a go, nothing ventured and all that

Something ventured still got easily beat.

 

All i'm saying is Ange has done a great job bringing a brand of entertaining  football that gets a lot of goals in Scottish football, but if he wants to progress in the CL, and punch above Celtic's financial weight playing the big money teams, he'll have to show a bit of tactical nous, and not just go hell for leather till you run out of steam, hoping you do enough in the first half to hang on for the next 45 mins. 

For a neutral it was pretty entertaining, seeing Celtic doing a good job first half, and Real have them chasing shadows the next 45, scoring for fun once they got the time and space to knock the ball about. On the whole it was tactically naive from Ange though, even worse if he doesn't learn from it.

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24 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

And so insightful, makes you wonder why their teams don’t take so many more points off us by changing their normal approach 

We did.

 

Since you brought it up and opened the door,

 

Livi 1-0 Celtic.

Celtic 0-0 Livi.

Livi 1-3 Celtic.

 

Honours even last season and first time we've lost to Celtic at the TMA  since we came back up.

 

That wouldn't have happened had we went toe to toe with Celtic trying to outplay you. We go in as massive underdogs with the financial disparity, but tactically Martindale has done incredibly well against you, maybe something Ange should think about when playing Europe's elite.

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1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

We did.

 

Since you brought it up and opened the door,

 

Livi 1-0 Celtic.

Celtic 0-0 Livi.

Livi 1-3 Celtic.

 

Honours even last season and first time we've lost to Celtic at the TMA  since we came back up.

 

That wouldn't have happened had we went toe to toe with Celtic trying to outplay you. We go in as massive underdogs with the financial disparity, but tactically Martindale has done incredibly well against you, maybe something Ange should think about when playing Europe's elite.

Confident for Saturday then?

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As much as im disapointed by the result, we are vastly improved on this time last year. We need to use this defeat to push us on and keep improving. It was always going to be in steps we improved and it was always going to take a few seasons to reach a decent level in europe. >Onwards and upwards. Some great play at times last night. Mcgregor was absolutely outstanding. What a leader he is now. I wasnt sure about him being captain material when he got it but hes done better than I even hoped possible.

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45 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said:

As much as im disapointed by the result, we are vastly improved on this time last year. We need to use this defeat to push us on and keep improving. It was always going to be in steps we improved and it was always going to take a few seasons to reach a decent level in europe. >Onwards and upwards. Some great play at times last night. Mcgregor was absolutely outstanding. What a leader he is now. I wasnt sure about him being captain material when he got it but hes done better than I even hoped possible.

Agree re McGregor. He was excellent last night. Hope he plays down south or abroad one day, would like to see how he’d do. 

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