The Celtic All Seasons thread

[G51]

Just now, ahemps said:

Hodgson won't be managing next season, out of contract and hasn't been offered a new one. Palace will be looking for a new manager, paying London EPL wages, well run club and a good team to prove your an EPL manager......lucky Lampard is available eh.

I would have said transfer fees won't be as high this summer as we have seen much less spending but then Bayer Leverkusen paid £11m for Frimpong and blew that theory for me.

If Uncle Roy's contract isn't renewed at Palace he'll end up somewhere else. Maybe Burnley if the new owners decide they don't like having a manager who looks like he's made a mess of eating a bowl of tomato soup.

[TheScarf]

'your teeth out after I retire' 

What?

[Ranaldo Bairn]

10 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

'your teeth out after I retire' 

What?

He says "I'll sort your teeth out after I retire."

Edited February 22, 2021 by Ranaldo Bairn

[GordonD]

2 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

His agent/lawyer etc will argue he could still have won the league as it was still mathematically possible, probability doesn’t matter. 

 

That sounds like the guy who tried to sue the producers of 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire' for the million quid because his 'Fastest Finger First' pad was (allegedly) faulty and he didn't get on the show.

[big al]

Celtic are going to have to do a ‘McInnes’ and change their entire strike force in 1 window (presuming Edouard is leaving anyway) if they want the league next season. 

[Drew Brees]

46 minutes ago, G51 said:

Armstrong went for £7m with a year left on his deal, I'd expect Christie to get about the same.

Assuming they pull in £15m for Edouard and another £15m for Ajer, then that's a decent chunk.

Of course the difficulty is in spreading that across the number of players required: 1xGK, 2xRB, 3xCB, 1xLB, 1xCM (would have been 2 but assuming Shaw signs), 2xLW, 1xRW, 1xAM, 2xST.

14 players I make it?

14 players needed!!!

[G51]

5 minutes ago, Drew Brees said:

14 players needed!!!

How many do you reckon?

[Drew Brees]

3 minutes ago, G51 said:

How many do you reckon?

13

[Jinky67]

1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said:

I've said before i've got no problem with the different expectations of the Celtic fan base.

The very least i would expect from him is to be at least an impactful coach/manager but again he isn't, he is a very very poor coach.

• 6 months on from when he first questioned their mentality nothing has changed evidenced by him mentioning them being not brave enough. He sets the culture, so the failure to change that mentality is on him
• Inability to coach mistakes and deficiencies, the statistic is 43% of goals coming from set pieces? there or thereabouts - a decent coach would have sorted that out by now with the resources available to us but we are still conceding weak goals from set pieces. Come to f**k Laxalt on Jordan White? He is their biggest threat so why isn't he being marked by someone who can match him in size and physicality?
• Tactical inability - Ross County have lost most of their goals from corners yet on 5 occasions almost in a row we played the corner short. Further evidenced by being 1 goal down and no change of shape to try go win the game. 
• Square pegs into round holes - players not in their best positions i.e. Christie at centre forward when we have strikers on the bench, Griffiths scores possibly 2 of those, the cutback from Eddie is 100% a goal if that lands at Griffiths feet. Turnbull has shown how effective he is at the tip of the diamond yet pushed further back to accommodate Rogic who has barely had an impact all season.

You can make all the petitions you want to give him time but the fact is on the evidence of this season alone he is being outcoached by Gerrard, Goodwin, Hughes, Martindale and you could make argument for another 2 or 3 being better coaches than Lennon. Should that be the case at Celtic? Should the club who have been the dominant force be led by a coach who isn't even close to being the best in his own league? 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Jinky67

[G51]

Just now, Drew Brees said:

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Lads, I've just found Vasilis Barkas's P&B account.

[AndyM]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

First two, aye. I'd be surprised if anyone paid a decent fee for Christie though.

Christie is a gem of a player.

But he's not going to be in Scotland after the summer. Celtic won't get a huge fee either as he only has a year left on his contract and he's on a modest salary compared with some of their players.

[DukDukGoose]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

Armstrong is a better player than Christie. 

I can't think of a club he can join in the EPL. He wouldn't cope in the middle so he'd have to play out wide.

weren't Nice interested in him?

[kdyteejay]

[wastecoatwilly]

1 hour ago, Jinky67 said:

You can make all the petitions you want to give him time but the fact is on the evidence of this season alone he is being outcoached by Gerrard, Goodwin, Hughes, Martindale and you could make argument for another 2 or 3 being better coaches than Lennon. Should that be the case at Celtic? Should the club who have been the dominant force be led by a coach who isn't even close to being the best in his own league? 

You make a lot of good negative points,the first one is Lennon is not a coach hes the manager,he wasn't allowed to bring in his own coaching team.
As soon as he walked in the door he needs to access the squad,players out of contract Boyata,Lustig,Izaguirre,Gamboa to name a few plus Tierney is sold.
So he needs to build his whole back 5,he brings in Forster,Jullien,Taylor,Frimpong and Elhamed to name a few he also needs to get rid of the deadwood eg.Compper,Mulumbu,Kouassi.
Apart from winning the treble he needs to build his back 5 again with Gordon,Jozo and Hayes going out the door,
When you're left with two loan players and two under 23's at the back against Ross county you know the recruitment hasn't been good enough you can point your finger if you want.

European football,Celtic have played a massive part in our co-efficient rating, it's the best it's been in 20 years plus Lennon was the first ever Celtic manager to win in Italy.
Slippy G gets credit for his performances in Europe over the same period sevco have won 23 games and Celtic have won 21 games both deserve credit.
Over the 5 years that the co-efficient is calculated Celtic have won more games than sevco Lennon has played his part in that but you just like to focus on the defeats.

[bennett]

4 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

You make a lot of good negative points,the first one is Lennon is not a coach hes the manager,he wasn't allowed to bring in his own coaching team.
As soon as he walked in the door he needs to access the squad,players out of contract Boyata,Lustig,Izaguirre,Gamboa to name a few plus Tierney is sold.
So he needs to build his whole back 5,he brings in Forster,Jullien,Taylor,Frimpong and Elhamed to name a few he also needs to get rid of the deadwood eg.Compper,Mulumbu,Kouassi.
Apart from winning the treble he needs to build his back 5 again with Gordon,Jozo and Hayes going out the door,
When you're left with two loan players and two under 23's at the back against Ross county you know the recruitment hasn't been good enough you can point your finger if you want.

European football,Celtic have played a massive part in our co-efficient rating, it's the best it's been in 20 years plus Lennon was the first ever Celtic manager to win in Italy.
Slippy G gets credit for his performances in Europe over the same period sevco have won 23 games and Celtic have won 21 games both deserve credit.
Over the 5 years that the co-efficient is calculated Celtic have won more games than sevco Lennon has played his part in that but you just like to focus on the defeats.

Exactly Willie,  Neic must stay.

I've been shocked by how quickly a lot of celtic fans have turned against the man who delivered a quadruple treble. 

 

[wastecoatwilly]

6 minutes ago, bennett said:

Exactly Willie,  Neic must stay.

I've been shocked by how quickly a lot of celtic fans have turned against the man who delivered a quadruple treble. 

 

As far as I'm concerned it's 1-1 between Lennon V Slippy G  I would like to see a decider zippy.

[Jinky67]

36 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

You make a lot of good negative points,the first one is Lennon is not a coach hes the manager,he wasn't allowed to bring in his own coaching team.
As soon as he walked in the door he needs to access the squad,players out of contract Boyata,Lustig,Izaguirre,Gamboa to name a few plus Tierney is sold.
So he needs to build his whole back 5,he brings in Forster,Jullien,Taylor,Frimpong and Elhamed to name a few he also needs to get rid of the deadwood eg.Compper,Mulumbu,Kouassi.
Apart from winning the treble he needs to build his back 5 again with Gordon,Jozo and Hayes going out the door,
When you're left with two loan players and two under 23's at the back against Ross county you know the recruitment hasn't been good enough you can point your finger if you want.

European football,Celtic have played a massive part in our co-efficient rating, it's the best it's been in 20 years plus Lennon was the first ever Celtic manager to win in Italy.
Slippy G gets credit for his performances in Europe over the same period sevco have won 23 games and Celtic have won 21 games both deserve credit.
Over the 5 years that the co-efficient is calculated Celtic have won more games than sevco Lennon has played his part in that but you just like to focus on the defeats.

Point 1 - Neil Lennon has an Uefa Pro License so he is indeed a qualified coach. He leads a coaching team of which he ultimately is responsible for the quality of coaching and indeed the outputs of the coaching. He is on the training pitch every day giving his input so this he's a manager not a coach is a weak as f**k argument

Point 2 - Neil Lennon was in charge when Jozo , Gordon and Hayes left, he ultimately had a significant say in whether they stayed or left (granted Jozo seems to be in a  shit state with injuries). If he had put his faith in Gordon, who is a fine goalkeeper, and not went back for Forster who essentially told us he would rather sit on Southamptons bench than sign for us permanently we would be in a much better position with regards to keepers as we are now

Point 3 - You argued a point after Slavia Prague if i remember correctly about Celtic managers not being sacked or that they should be sacked for performances in Europe yet here you are using co-efficients and European performances as a measure of success to try influence opinion he should stay. You can't have it both ways Willy 

The bottom line Neil Lennon is the master of his own downfall, upon accepting the Celtic job he could have stipulated he wanted his own coaching team, he didn't so he cannot use that as any form of excuse for performances. 

Fact is Neil Lennon will not be in charge of Celtic next season, whether he is relieved once it becomes mathematically impossible or he is offered a tactical withdrawal at the end of the season he will not be in charge, large numbers of season ticket holders wont accept that and in these times when this club need every penny they can rinse from their customers that fact alone should ensure he won't be in the dugout next year.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Jinky67

[Moomintroll]

15 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Point 1 - Neil Lennon has an Uefa Pro License so he is indeed a qualified coach. He leads a coaching team of which he ultimately is responsible for the quality of coaching and indeed the outputs of the coaching. He is on the training pitch every day giving his input so this he's a manager not a coach is a weak as f**k argument

Point 2 - Neil Lennon was in charge when Jozo , Gordon and Hayes left, he ultimately had a significant say in whether they stayed or left (granted Jozo seems to be in a  shit state with injuries). If he had put his faith in Gordon, who is a fine goalkeeper, and not went back for Forster who essentially told us he would rather sit on Southamptons bench than sign for us permanently we would be in a much better position with regards to keepers as we are now

Point 3 - You argued a point after Slavia Prague if i remember correctly about Celtic managers not being sacked or that they should be sacked for performances in Europe yet here you are using co-efficients and European performances as a measure of success to try influence opinion he should stay. You can't have it both ways Willy 

The bottom line Neil Lennon is the master of his own downfall, upon accepting the Celtic job he could have stipulated he wanted his own coaching team, he didn't so he cannot use that as any form of excuse for performances. 

Fact is Neil Lennon will not be in charge of Celtic next season, whether he is relieved once it becomes mathematically impossible or he is offered a tactical withdrawal at the end of the season he will not be in charge, large numbers of season ticket holders wont accept that and in these times when this club need every penny they can rinse from their customers that fact alone should ensure he won't be in the dugout next year.

 

 

You guys do realise that in willys wee green tinted world , nothing can ever be the fault of someone connected to Celtic no matter how overpowering the evidence & how obvious it is to absolutely everybody else. Sometimes, If I am in the right mood, I find it quite endearingly sweet.

[wastecoatwilly]

11 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Point 1 - Neil Lennon has an Uefa Pro License so he is indeed a qualified coach. He leads a coaching team of which he ultimately is responsible for the quality of coaching and indeed the outputs of the coaching. He is on the training pitch every day giving his input so this he's a manager not a coach argument is a weak as f**k argument

Point 2 - Neil Lennon was in charge when Jozo, Gordon and Hayes left, he ultimately had a significant say in whether they stayed or left. If he had put his faith in Gordon, who is a fine goalkeeper, and not went back for Forster who essentially told us he would rather sit on Southamptons bench than sign for us permanently we would be in a much better position with regards to keepers as we are now

Point 3 - You argued a point after Slavia Prague if i remember correctly about Celtic managers not being sacked or that they should be sacked for performances in Europe yet here you are using co-efficients and European performances as a measure of success to try influence opinion he should stay. You can't have it both ways Willy 

The bottom line Neil Lennon is the master of his own downfall, upon accepting the Celtic job he could have stipulated he wanted his own coaching team, he didn't so he cannot use that as any form of excuse for performances. 

Fact is Neil Lennon will not be in charge of Celtic next season, whether he is relieved once it becomes mathematically impossible or he is offered a tactical withdrawal at the end of the season he will not be in charge, large numbers of season ticket holders wont accept that and in these times when this club need every penny they can rinse from their customers that fact alone should ensure he won't be in the dugout next year.

 

 

Whether he is in the dugout or not using the fans as a weapon is a weak debate,the fans haven't seen their team in over a year in the flesh.
Recruitment is cost based what you can and can't do,Sinclair left because Rodgers ran up the wage bill Lennon didn't have that luxury.
De Vires was Rodgers number one,Forster was Lennon's number one Gordon was always leaving.  
Celtic managers don't get sacked for European performances why would I use it as a negative like you do.

[Drew Brees]

33 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Whether he is in the dugout or not using the fans as a weapon is a weak debate,the fans haven't seen their team in over a year in the flesh.

If only there was some other way we could watch this shit show, so we could see what you see.