Dee Man Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, whiskychimp said: Though ironically, I'll bet they didnt do a fire risk assessment on the hotels they've moved people to. I hope they haven't moved them to Premier Inns... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/premier-inn-extremely-worried-about-cladding-in-two-london-hotels-after-grenfell-tower-blaze-a3571526.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40392587 look at this opportunistic person setting his flat on fire so he can get a slice of £20 million and a new pad. Entrepreneurial I've already started up a donation with my old clothes i normally use for painting and stuff and a frozen chicago town pizza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 What am I supposed to do about my useless fucking husband, never mind my fucking baby? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Cladding fire tests failed by 34 blocks in 17 areas. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40391395 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, ayrmad said: Yes but a lot of what went wrong in 2009 appears to have went wrong here. What are the similarities? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Lofarl said: So from a area that voted to remain in the EU and voted in a Corbyn led Labour party. So that everyone can see how progressive and liberal they are whilst munching on canapes at Oliver's and Jemima's party. Suddenly it's turned to being unfair that poor brown skinned people will be right on their doorstep. They probably bought the charity song. They've suffered enough. They'll be fuming that they have to even set eyes on working class folk within their home proximity 9 hours ago, trainspotter said: That's the bit I don't get. He's more concerned about the value of other people's property than the fact that 79 people are dead. What about the value of human lives? £0.00. To scum like that those people aren't even people 6 hours ago, welshbairn said: Panicky councillors worried about getting blamed for an incredibly small chance of another fire while the work's getting done. Risk assessment gone mad when it's too late. My pishy fridge's light broke a year ago and the flap (chuckle) on the freezer compartment is held on by blu tac. It's just a matter of time till I'm minted 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Depends on how much Teresa et al, "hide" when setting the parameters of the Public Enquiry I suppose. See: Hillsborough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 34 out of 34 samples tested across 17 different authorities are a clear indication of 34 isolated and unrelated failures of middle management, for which selected heads must roll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I personally hold Alberto Costa MP responsible. I'm sure he has nothing to do with it, but I think he's a c**t, so why not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Work gets underway on new accommodation for the decanted poor people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 15 hours ago, pandarilla said: They really, really don't. This smacks of councillors absolutely shiting themselves. Take extra precautions, and get the cladding off asap. Done. If politicians are shitting themselves and overreacting that can only be a good thing. Its when theyre comfortable that they are c***s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 A few copy pastes to highlight the/lack of similarities between 2009 & 2017 and some of the recommendations that appear to have been undertaken/ignored. Senior managers at Southwark Council were warned by staff that Lakanal House needed a fire risk assessment - they were ignored. People carrying out fire risk assessments were given little or no training, and then expected to go out and decide if a tower block was fire safe or not. ” The inquest into that fire found that panels fitted to the outside of the block in 2006-07 burnt quicker than the original materials. At Lakanal House the fire spread inside and out. You can see from the pictures Grenfell Tower has been engulfed in flames. How quickly it must have spread here. Another issue experts are likely to look at when investigating here is the fire "compartmentalisation" of the building. Regulations say buildings should be designed so that if a fire does break out, it doesn’t spread to other flats for at least an hour. After the Lakanal House fire, I did a big freedom of information request investigation into what attention fire brigades and councils were placing on fire safety of tower blocks. The results revealed the answer - very little. It gradually improved in the intervening years. I led the calls for a public inquiry after the Lakanal House fire in Camberwell, south London, that killed six people in 2009. I said then that we couldn’t allow a similar tragedy to happen again, that action had to be taken to stop flammable panels being put on the outsides of buildings, that the advice to residents to sit tight might be sensible in the majority of cases but clearly wasn’t a universal rule. I said that the confusion between layers of planners, contractors and subcontractors was going to lead to further mistakes if the monitoring wasn’t carefully done. The Lakanal House fire highlighted the lack of coordination between contractors and the local authority. The complaints of Grenfell Tower residents indicate similar problems may have hindered the refurbishment process and this too must be looked at. The inquiry must not only put the tenants centre stage and give them a voice, but also ask whether tenants across the country need to be given new rights to access information and be part of the decision-making and monitoring processes regarding their homes. A lack of fire resistance around doors meant the fire could not be contained for long enough. Coroner Frances Kirkham has written to communities secretary Eric Pickles and Southwark Council with a list of recommendations. In her letter to Mr Pickles, she has recommended the government publishes national guidance on fire safety for residents in high-rise buildings and urged local authorities to install sprinkler systems. recommended that it reviews its policies concerning fire risk assessments of its high-rise buildings, that it trains staff and liaises with emergency services about access to property. "And we understand that there are around 4,000 tower blocks that don't have fire sprinklers fitted into them. "That was a recommendation, which was down to each local council and landlords to determine the appropriateness of this. "We were strongly recommending this as the fire at Lakanal House spread within four minutes to the flat above and went on to kill six people regrettably. "Our group recommended that due to the speed that the fire spread in Lakanal House, that building regulations should be reviewed. It's nearly 11 years since it has been reviewed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 60/60 test failures across 25 local authorities (none in Scotland). A clear sign that this is a series of co-incidental isolated incidents in no way indicative of a failure at national government level. Edited June 25, 2017 by williemillersmoustache 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What the f**k have the Fire Brigade been doing? We've had them round testing fire safety twice in the last 3 years, once because my sister burnt the toast. Do they not bother with tower blocks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Melanius Mullarkey said: Its summer fair season and nearly the end of term. The fire brigade have been run off their feet entertaining kids tbf. And shagging nurses at graduation parties no doubt. It's not the cladding really I was thinking about, it would be difficult to test them on a quick visit. It's the self closing fire doors etc I was thinking about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: What the f**k have the Fire Brigade been doing? We've had them round testing fire safety twice in the last 3 years, once because my sister burnt the toast. Do they not bother with tower blocks? Probably protesting, the commie hero b*****ds. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25640673 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: What the f**k have the Fire Brigade been doing? We've had them round testing fire safety twice in the last 3 years, once because my sister burnt the toast. Do they not bother with tower blocks? That was a bit careless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Theres a fake story doing the rounds of a baby being found alive on the 16th floor after being heard crying by detectives investigating the fire. Who the f**k thinks this stuff up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 75/75 isolated incidents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Horrible example of fake news, from Russia apparently if you look at the Latest Posts section. http://archive.is/FTJau http://www.snopes.com/baby-found-grenfell-tower/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Just now, Melanius Mullarkey said: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hundreds-of-fire-doors-were-missing-from-tower-blocks-evacuated-in-camden-a3573551.html We're any of these buildings ever actually inspected for fire risk before? Ever? And if so, who by? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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