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Re the misinformation campaign, does the existence of the community clubs change things here? They will presumably be in attendance at meetings, Will they try(or even have the chance) to dispel the myths?

Re hanging out and taking the pot of gold at the end, I would assume come the end of the SJFA that a huge chunk of held funds would go to TJ’s redundancy?

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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

answer the post :)

63 West Region clubs compared to 70 clubs in the other regions. 32 in the North and 38 in the East. So the West Region could be outvoted if there was a SJFA wide vote.

If that helps anyone thinking it's a maths quiz.

West has 50% of management committee though as well as control of President and Vice President poitions.

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20 hours ago, the sniper said:

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

Won't happen !

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1 hour ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

Surely if Burnieman's info is right, it's a possibility.

It was abundantly clear last season that the EoS and LL are not going to agree to this and they have an effective veto because changes to the LL entry playoff format require their approval, so it's difficult to see a scenario unfolding in which it could happen. It's also not clear that the ERSJFA could sustain a 16 club east feeder (due to the travel demands involved), which is what the SFA were saying last year was needed at tier 6. The north and south sections the ERSJFA have this season would be a much better fit for tier 7, which will no doubt be one of the reasons that option two is in there as well.

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1 hour ago, Beenzon-Toste said:
9 hours ago, Robert James said:
Won't happen !

Surely if Burnieman's info is right, it's a possibility.

Burnieman's info also said it was included at the request of the SJFA. Knowing full well it's been voted on & rejected already.

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14 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Burnieman's info also said it was included at the request of the SJFA. Knowing full well it's been voted on & rejected already.

My info was that it was pointed out at PWG that this suggestion had already been rejected, but TJ wanted it included.

Then we hear that the ERJFA are telling clubs that they could be in at tier 6 next season.

Make up your own mind over motive.

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21 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

Would require reinstatement as it would be a transfer. Can assure you they sign players separately and there can be no nebulous moving from one to another without a transfer and reinstatement to Junior.

They've been doing it, however its done.

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My info was that it was pointed out at PWG that this suggestion had already been rejected, but TJ wanted it included.
Then we hear that the ERJFA are telling clubs that they could be in at tier 6 next season.
Make up your own mind over motive.
The part of Burnieman's info I'm referring to is the SFA suggestion of a LL split.
LL West feeders being the WRSJFA and SOSL and LL East feeders being ERSJFA and EOSL.
That means all 4 feeders are at Tier 6.
That would tie in with the mandate of the SJFA for both Region's entry at the same level.

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1 minute ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

The part of Burnieman's info I'm referring to is the SFA suggestion of a LL split.
LL West feeders being the WRSJFA and SOSL and LL East feeders being ERSJFA and EOSL.
That means all 4 feeders are at Tier 6.
That would tie in with the mandate of the SJFA for both Region's entry at the same level.

But thats why it would be discussed. That may work if the ersjfa just became Tayside and the rest joined EOSFL.

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The part of Burnieman's info I'm referring to is the SFA suggestion of a LL split.
LL West feeders being the WRSJFA and SOSL and LL East feeders being ERSJFA and EOSL.
That means all 4 feeders are at Tier 6.
That would tie in with the mandate of the SJFA for both Region's entry at the same level.
Anyone asked the SPFL on this? My guess is no, and again ERJFA and EoS at the same level covering the same area is a non starter regardless of how it is dressed up.

Plus, there's a boundary to consider, and the opinion of the LL, and there's the problem that some ERJFA WL clubs don't want to travel to Tayside, hence north and south split this season.

Just get west in next season as a first step, and then work on the east and north later. TJ in full job saving mode it seems.

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1 hour ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

The part of Burnieman's info I'm referring to is the SFA suggestion of a LL split.
LL West feeders being the WRSJFA and SOSL and LL East feeders being ERSJFA and EOSL.
That means all 4 feeders are at Tier 6.
That would tie in with the mandate of the SJFA for both Region's entry at the same level.

The issue is that the SPFL will want the clubs in the leagues below it at tier 5 to be fully licenced. At the moment, that won't be possible if there's two lowland feeders. Remembering as well that the SPFL wasn't keen in the first place to have two feeders rather, so three will be a major leap, although it makes sense.

The realistic option is for the Highland/Lowland parallel leagues to continue and a West league to come in at tier 6. Once the number of licenced clubs starts to climb, then three leagues at tier 5 could be revisited.

I can't see how the ERJFA en masse can ever come in a tier 6, there's just too many issues in overlapping geography, promotion issues with the Highland/Lowland boundary that the PWG has no power to resolve.

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The only viable option in the discussion paper is option W, West region moves over intact alongside SoS and EoS, ERSJFA and NRSJFA still outside.

Of the others X has already been kiboshed, rightly. Y is just a different version of X but moves ERSJFA down a level. Pointless for the same reason. Z is another version of X which splits the LL (which the SPFL clubs oppose) but inexplicably keeps the ERSJFA at Tier 6 alongside the EoS premier, which is why option X has already been rejected due to overlapping league's.

There's some merit in Z in terms of a LL split to East and West, but absolutely no reason to then have ERSJFA at Tier 6 alongside EoS which has been rejected already.

As should have happened last year, West moved in current structure to Tier 6, option W, job done for 2020/21.

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The future is brilliant take my team Darvel Juniors crowds increasing every week. A bus to every away game and a special appearance by santa to give the kids presents "NOW THAT'S THE FUTURE" and it's growing every week

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1 hour ago, Exvale said:

The future is brilliant take my team Darvel Juniors crowds increasing every week. A bus to every away game and a special appearance by santa to give the kids presents "NOW THAT'S THE FUTURE" and it's growing every week

The problem for the west it probably wont get as big a bounce as the east have got as nothing will really change. Our crowds are up about 50%. The east clubs have had a resurgence like glenrothes might come so easily in the west as it's the same.teams still looks like will be sjfa 

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On 19/12/2019 at 13:39, FairWeatherFan said:

This has been the North Region's plan all along. Sit it out, be the only juniors left. Then pocket 4-5 grand each and join up to the pyramid anyway 😁

Bridge of Don needs some new Fox Traps, tbf.

On 19/12/2019 at 22:44, parsforlife said:

Re the misinformation campaign, does the existence of the community clubs change things here? They will presumably be in attendance at meetings, Will the try(or even have the chance) to dispel the myths?

 

Smart thing to do with these clubs is to insert a by-law into EOS constitution that suggests that these clubs cannot be promoted from the basement tier. Second Division North or what ever it will be.

3 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

The problem for the west it probably wont get as big a bounce as the east have got as nothing will really change. Our crowds are up about 50%. The east clubs have had a resurgence like glenrothes might come so easily in the west as it's the same.teams still looks like will be sjfa 

This. A good example would be this Season's Scottish Cup, it's allowed Kelty, Bonnyrigg and Linlithgow all live TV matches due to their SFA Licenses and automatic cup entry.
It's also seen the EOS league almost die out with 10 clubs a few years ago to becoming a league struggling to decide whether their going to have 3 or 4 full leagues next season.

Although it will be a slow progress, things such as full fixtures cards and Auto-cup qualification will help clubs. It will also see sides like Pollok and Talbot reach their appropriate level and create new rivalries - BSC Glasgow (if they move to Lesser Hampden) against Pollok could be a LL clash in a few years time.

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The problem for the west it probably wont get as big a bounce as the east have got as nothing will really change. Our crowds are up about 50%. The east clubs have had a resurgence like glenrothes might come so easily in the west as it's the same.teams still looks like will be sjfa 
As people point out, nothing much will change short term for 95% of clubs in the west when they move into senior football.

If you suggest that you integrate the top half of Superleague into a LL West as a first step with BSC, Colts, Edusport Braves, Gretna and Dalbeattie then that is where you might meet resistance.

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23 hours ago, Exvale said:

The future is brilliant take my team Darvel Juniors crowds increasing every week. A bus to every away game and a special appearance by santa to give the kids presents "NOW THAT'S THE FUTURE" and it's growing every week

Not as bright for most of the other 62 sides though.

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can't wait for the new glasgow classico v bsc  currently at plastic alloa

treasurer at lok already counting the money the 10 bsc + dog will swell our coffers by.

get real

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