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8 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

So at that point is it automatically at odds with options 1 or 2? Let the west in at tier 6 either way (and possibly the east at tier 7 should option 2 be OK with the EoS and the HL:LL boundary is lifted) for 2020/21 then split the LL for 2021/22 after clubs have had time to get licensed.

Nobody knows what lifting the boundary would mean. Is it getting replaced? If so, replaced to what? Is it going to be left to clubs to choose what leagues they want to join? It's something that has to be discussed and that takes time.

And it would be better coming from the SPFL so that the lower leagues can try and get a concession like automatic relegation from SPFL2.

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1 hour ago, mrman2011 said:

Love the idea. Time to abolish Junior football its too bigoted for 2020

Doesn't really tie in with the fact you wanted the colts team of one of the two most bigoted bunch of supporters in Scotland to win the Tunnocks Challenge cup though.

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Do the officials at any of the West junior clubs have any communication with the SJFA regarding a potential pyramid move at the end of the season or are they as in the dark as we are?

I imagine that even if implemented for next season, not much will change at all for clubs in the West, but for such a major change (at least on paper) I would have thought a few of the clubs would have communicated any news (or lack of it) to their members. I haven't heard a thing from any clubs about it. Are different club officials speaking to each other about it and if so, is there anything else we can be told about what is or isn't going on?

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Thought about Option 4 a bit and realised it makes a mess of things beyond just getting enough licensed teams for 2021-22

Option 4:

  • Lowland League = No relegation
  • West Premiership = No relegation as they will lose 4 or more clubs to the LL West
  • EoS Premier = No relegation as they will lose 4 or more clubs to the LL East

You won't know the number or geographic division of applicants needed until May when the SPFL play-off is basically complete.

The likes of the West Region as a whole sees a knock on effect 16-16-16-15 becomes say 8-16-16-15. Leagues not just clubs are scrambling around trying to decide formats for 2021-22 in May 2021.

Option 3:

Already rejected

Option 2 and Option 1:

The important thing here is that Tier 5 and Tier 6 of both options is the same.

Tier 5 = Lowland League
Tier 6 = EoS Premier v. SoSFL v. West Premiership in the LL Play-off

Go into the PWG meetings hopefully it works out like this.

January:

Agree to Tier 6 EoS Premier v. SoSFL v. West Premiership in the LL Play-off
Discuss the HL/LL boundary. There's no SPFL representative there so unless Petrie is pulling double duty as SFA/SPFL it can't be more than preferences.

Homework

Lowland League = Draw up the Lowland League Play-off rules and format
SJFA = Confirm Junior Cup changes to meet Lowland League Play-off deadline are in effect. That's kind of what this year's all about. Maybe there's no need for this to be said.
EoSFL = Try another meeting with East Region representatives to come up with a solution to the situation.
SFA = Discuss the HL/LL boundary preferences at the Professional Game Board level.

March:

SFA update on the HL/LL boundary situation
Lowland League present the Lowland League Play-off and that it take place from XX/May/2021 to XX/May/2021. SJFA confirm they can meet that deadline for a West Premiership champion. It gets agreed for 2020-21.
EoSFL update on their situation if anything's changed. Maybe they've had applicants from the ERJFA or not which could change matters. The HL/LL boundary news might have an effect here.

Then you're kind of done. Maybe there's a solution to the East in time for 2020-21 beyond individual clubs moving to the EoSFL, maybe not. 

 

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Do the officials at any of the West junior clubs have any communication with the SJFA regarding a potential pyramid move at the end of the season or are they as in the dark as we are?


Yes they have had communication.

I understand the West Region management are meeting very soon to discuss the matter further, but I l think the next General Meeting of the West clubs isn't till the end of January.

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2 hours ago, glensmad said:

Yes they have had communication.

I understand the West Region management are meeting very soon to discuss the matter further, but I l think the next General Meeting of the West clubs isn't till the end of January.

Well those at the PWG were asked to take away the four "suggestions" by Petrie and speak to their member clubs and ask for feedback, and then report back at next PWG end of January.  EoS having a general meeting next month to discuss.

Is this happening with WRJFA and ERJFA? because it should be, not just TJ talking to Regional blazers.

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Well those at the PWG were asked to take away the four "suggestions" by Petrie and speak to their member clubs and ask for feedback, and then report back at next PWG end of January.  EoS having a general meeting next month to discuss.
Is this happening with WRJFA and ERJFA? because it should be, not just TJ talking to Regional blazers.
What's to stop the east coming it at tier 6 the same as the west ?

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Just now, the sniper said:
26 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
Well those at the PWG were asked to take away the four "suggestions" by Petrie and speak to their member clubs and ask for feedback, and then report back at next PWG end of January.  EoS having a general meeting next month to discuss.
Is this happening with WRJFA and ERJFA? because it should be, not just TJ talking to Regional blazers.

What's to stop the east coming it at tier 6 the same as the west ?

Already rejected, the only reason that it's one of the "suggestions" is I believe TJ insisted on putting it in again.  LL and EoS unanimously against a second east league. Waste of time discussing it.

As I said earlier, one of the other suggestions was ERJFA in at tier 7 feeding into EoS Premier, but  I imagine the EoS would only agree to that if it's with a view to full merger after one season, not a permanent arrangement.

West in only next season remains the likely outcome IMO.

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Already rejected, the only reason that it's one of the "suggestions" is I believe TJ insisted on putting it in again.  LL and EoS unanimously against a second east league. Waste of time discussing it.
As I said earlier, one of the other suggestions was ERJFA in at tier 7 feeding into EoS Premier, but  I imagine the EoS would only agree to that if it's with a view to full merger after one season, not a permanent arrangement.
West in only next season remains the likely outcome IMO.
Surely all organisations should be more transparent with what's going on as all the talk of clubs leaving or only west at tier 6 or both at tier 6 it wouldn't take much for everyone to say what could happen going forward

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Well those at the PWG were asked to take away the four "suggestions" by Petrie and speak to their member clubs and ask for feedback, and then report back at next PWG end of January.  EoS having a general meeting next month to discuss.
Is this happening with WRJFA and ERJFA? because it should be, not just TJ talking to Regional blazers.
It is happening in the West, yes.

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Already rejected, the only reason that it's one of the "suggestions" is I believe TJ insisted on putting it in again.  LL and EoS unanimously against a second east league. Waste of time discussing it.
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TJ playing games again?

He puts the options to WJFA and EJFA, EJFA want option 3 or 4. WJFA mostly want option 1 but a few prefer other options(but would take option 1 over nothing)

TJ returns ‘no clear will of junior clubs, we can’t peruse any option at this time’

TJ keeps his job a little while longer.

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Surely all organisations should be more transparent with what's going on as all the talk of clubs leaving or only west at tier 6 or both at tier 6 it wouldn't take much for everyone to say what could happen going forward
EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?

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EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?
I've no idea I'm not aware of anything most information I've seen on here it seems dejavu from last year

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EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?
Yes

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9 hours ago, the sniper said:
9 hours ago, Burnie_man said:
EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?

I've no idea I'm not aware of anything most information I've seen on here it seems dejavu from last year

One of the "suggestions" certainly is, and is a rather pointless inclusion (ERJFA in at tier 6).

Anyway, if the West clubs are in possession of the paperwork, then so should the East clubs.

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Did it ever surface how the SOSL voted on the proposals last time? I'd guess they voted the same as EOS & LL most likely.

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1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said:

Did it ever surface how the SOSL voted on the proposals last time? I'd guess they voted the same as EOS & LL most likely.

In the minutes they questioned whether the LL playoff format had always required EoS, LL, SoS and SFA approval to change from what I remember, which hinted that they may not care that much on east feeders given it doesn't directly affect them.

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On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

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5 hours ago, the sniper said:

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

This seems unlikely given the EoSFL's previous opposition to this. Also there's the promotion/relegation issues of what happens if a Tayside team wins the playoff and where does a relegated team from the LFL go? I could perhaps see the two southern ERJFA leagues coming in, but only at tier 7/8 and only as a temporary solution prior to a merger. Still leaves a load of East juniors out in the cold though.

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