RedEd Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: iirc aren't clubs from ex-mining communities eligible for grants for some regeneration fund thing? It depends. Some of these funds might not entertain capital costs, but would fund equipment, activities etc. This seems to be the case with the Coalfields Regeneration Trust. In the Cumnock & Doon Valley area they have the Minerals Trust. Since the demise of the opencast industry locally the fund isn't as healthy as it once was, so although they may be able to help it might not be for the full amount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, gaz5 said: ... I know it hasn't been discussed, but It's almost like they are hoping the debate on a LL split will stop folk noticing that plan Z also includes ERSJFA at Tier 6, which was unanimously rejected last year for reasons that haven't changed and are not considered in the plan. If the LL is split, the LL playoff rules that were used to block ERSJFA entry last year are probably no longer applicable, because the league they applied to would no longer exist. If so, at that point the EoS loses its veto on ERSJFA entry. Option Z is not the same scenario as last year and is being pushed in preference to the west and east regions both in at tier 6 option for a reason. Edited January 17, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 That's definitely where things start to get interesting on Option Z. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: If the LL is split, the LL playoff rules that were used to block ERSJFA entry last year are probably no longer applicable, because the league they applied to would no longer exist. If so, at that point the EoS loses its veto on ERSJFA entry. Option Z is not the same scenario as last year and is being pushed in preference to the west and east regions both in at tier 6 option for a reason. Why wouldn't the Lowland League as an entity still exist? You're talking about clubs where for the most the ambition is to get as high as possible in the pyramid and not just the peak of a regional set up. A Lowland League West/East arrangement gives them 32 clubs, still at Tier 5 so full members of the SFA with voting rights. As a bloc it would be stronger to push for automatic promotion or additional promotion opportunities to the SPFL. Changes in general, like deciding to have West and East 2nd Divisions if they wanted to. They're also likely going to be the ones to set who would be accepted for the inaugral West / East season. As they've been the ones to determine who are the successful Lowland League applicants since it was founded. The Lowland League Cup with the East v. West aspect would be more attractive than the regional cups that exist due to the ties it would throw up. Why would they fracture their influence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 There is zero chance of an EoS league and an East Junior league competing against each other or in parallel leagues for places in the Lowland League. TJ and his cronies are kidding on the clubs in the ERSJFA when they promise such nonsense. When will the penny drop for the Junior sides still in the EoS area they need to make the move. #NoRegrets 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 There is zero chance of an EoS league and an East Junior league competing against each other or in parallel leagues for places in the Lowland League. TJ and his cronies are kidding on the clubs in the ERSJFA when they promise such nonsense. When will the penny drop for the Junior sides still in the EoS area they need to make the move. #NoRegrets This. Absolutely, 100% this. No amount of obfuscation changes the facts of the matter. Astounding, completely, utterly and entirely astounding that the rump of clubs left in the ERSJFA south of the Tay cannot or will not see this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 We'll find out soon if this option Z can be forced through in its entirety over EoS objections. A split LL has advantages either way. Having 6 vacancies open up in the LL east would get all the EoS premier clubs that deserve to be at tier 5 promoted much more quickly than the status quo way of doing things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 If the LL is split, the LL playoff rules that were used to block ERSJFA entry last year are probably no longer applicable, because the league they applied to would no longer exist. If so, at that point the EoS loses its veto on ERSJFA entry. Option Z is not the same scenario as last year and is being pushed in preference to the west and east regions both in at tier 6 option for a reason. So your logic is that two of the organisations who voted unanimously against ERSJFA at Tier 6 will now vote for splitting the LL East and West (as those same organisations would need to agree to that for it to be an option) with the same ERSJFA at Tier 6 in the plan, at absolutely no benefit to anyone other than the WRSJFA who want to jump in a level above the one at which they should be entering alongside EoS which has universal backing from the league's you actually need to vote for it?That's some interesting straw clutching there, like one outcome isn't directly linked to the other. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]You love this EoS veto line, but you always seem to conveniently omit the the LL voted 16-0 against as well. The same LL you would need to vote to split themselves East and West.This "preference" from the juniors is nothing more than a pig in a poke from the SJFA designed to further block entry of their own clubs into the pyramid.West at Tier 6 is pushing on an open door. It could be done right now. It is the only sensible option on the table at this stage.Why would you think that's not the one being recommended? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 ...because it actually can't be done right now when the mandate the SJFA have from its members is to get all of the SJFA into the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just thinking if there's anyone in the west who could 'do a kelty'.Essentially if a big club jumps now they'll probably win the SOS and would have a good chance of being promoted through the playoff to the LL. Its catapulted Kelty and Bonnyrigg almost into the Football League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian44wood Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...because it actually can't be done right now when the mandate the SJFA have from its members is to get all of the SJFA into the pyramid. When it suits them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Having 6 vacancies open up in the LL east would get all the EoS premier clubs that deserve to be at tier 5 promoted much more quickly than the status quo way of doing things. Clubs deserve promotion now. Which are these clubs then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFW Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 hours ago, gogsy said: For somebody that thinks change is inevitable, TFW's posts which cover non junior football usually come with the same condescending tone. Condescending.....moi? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 ...because it actually can't be done right now when the mandate the SJFA have from its members is to get all of the SJFA into the pyramid.Glad we cleared up its the SJFA vetoing the West in for next year, not the EoS or anyone else. Took us a while to get there. [emoji106] 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Should this not be a simple case of expanding the current pyramid set-up in much the same way as happened the year before last, and any Junior clubs wishing to make the jump should then have to start at the bottom and work their way up?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 ...because it actually can't be done right now when the mandate the SJFA have from its members is to get all of the SJFA into the pyramid.Convenient that the North is now 'In negotiation' with the HL..... At the same time the 'all in as one' mandate gets the dust blown off of it...... My, my, my junior fans really do buy tj's lines every time. Oh and as gaz5 said, glad you brought the fact that the sjfa is now blocking the west entering the pyramid for next year..... Should make interesting reading for the clubs. As tj whistles and skips down the hampden corridors whilst resting his puppeteer hands for his next show... I mean meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Should this not be a simple case of expanding the current pyramid set-up in much the same way as happened the year before last, and any Junior clubs wishing to make the jump should then have to start at the bottom and work their way up??Pretty much but some junior clubs still believe they should be treated differently to all of us that took the faith leap 18 months ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 8MileBU said: Should this not be a simple case of expanding the current pyramid set-up in much the same way as happened the year before last, and any Junior clubs wishing to make the jump should then have to start at the bottom and work their way up?? The SJFA seem to have the SFA's support on this Option Z thing and it seems to be about getting the three junior regions into the pyramid at tier 6. Remains to be seen if this is more successful than last year when the EoS were able to block it because of the way that the LL playoff rules are written. The EoS needs to approve any changes to the playoff rules and hence could prevent ERSJFA entry. If the LL is split in two those rules may be null and void. Edited January 17, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Convenient that the North is now 'In negotiation' with the HL..... At the same time the 'all in as one' mandate gets the dust blown off of it...... My, my, my junior fans really do buy tj's lines every time. Oh and as gaz5 said, glad you brought the fact that the sjfa is now blocking the west entering the pyramid for next year..... Should make interesting reading for the clubs. As tj whistles and skips down the hampden corridors whilst resting his puppeteer hands for his next show... I mean meeting. Mr. Johnson.....skipping all the way to his retirement package. Delay, obfuscate, delay again and throw in a bit of hoodwinking. This man is no fool but those who continue to put any sort of faith in him quite simply are. The advancement of a joined up football league in this country will not occur until this man is moved out of the way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Re: the north junior stuff as far as I can tell the meeting was done without the sjfa as a middleman unlike the going ons in LL territory 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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