Gordon EF Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: 3 leagues at tier 5 make it harder to return. Pretty sure it would be marginally easier to return with three leagues. Firstly, there would be 0.75 promotion places, rather than the 0.5 at the moment. And, a LL East or LL West should be easier to win than a unified LL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We know that's lies so wind your neck in. Its option1 that will happen. Their is 4 clubs talking of moving to eosfl re: the 4 have you heard specific names (don't need to state them publiclly) or just that 4 unamed clubs are considering a move? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: ...Firstly, there would be 0.75 promotion places, rather than the 0.5 at the moment... As things stand there is no reason to believe it would change from 0.5, because of the way the rules are drafted in the SPFL constitution. Edited December 16, 2019 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: As things stand there is no reason to believe it would change from 0.5, because of the way the rules are drafted in the SPFL constitution. Fair enough. In that case it would be exactly as easy as getting back up is right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 As things stand there is no reason to believe it would change from 0.5, because of the way the rules are drafted in the SPFL constitution.Aye people are just assuming that the play-offs would be a straight 4 way fight but it’s more likely to be a 3 way play-off for a chance to play club 42 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, parsforlife said: Aye people are just assuming that the play-offs would be a straight 4 way fight but it’s more likely to be a 3 way play-off for a chance to play club 42 That would be absolute shitbaggery from the SPFL. Not to say that isn't exactly what they'd want tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: re: the 4 have you heard specific names (don't need to state them publiclly) or just that 4 unamed clubs are considering a move? 4 unnamed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 That would be absolute shitbaggery from the SPFL. Not to say that isn't exactly what they'd want tbfAye protectionism is still ruling in the spfl. They haven’t quite got round to the idea that making the trapdoor hard to fall through makes it even worse if you do go down.Realistically there shouldn’t be an issue with 1 automatically down and 1 into a play-off as we have in the other 3 divisions but you only need to look at what Cowdenbeath directors have to say on here to know that’s a mile off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: We know that's lies so wind your neck in. Its option1 that will happen. Their is 4 clubs talking of moving to eosfl Aye Fauldhouse and 3 anonymous teams from the Angus area 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, superbigal said: Aye Fauldhouse and 3 anonymous teams from the Angus area A possibility 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, superbigal said: Aye Fauldhouse and 3 anonymous teams from the Angus area On the point surely ersjfa clubs see how its helped the clubs who has moved. Apart from armiston have regressed slightly which could have happened anyway obviously craigroyston everyone else has moved forward. Glenrothes crossgates etc being prime example 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The HL, LL East and West feeding into a 10 team league SPFL2 wouldn't work well, imo . You would need to expand the number of teams in league 2 to give you enough promotion/relegation places. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Play off semis (neutral venue?) and a two legged final v the league club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 They could use the format the EoS used with the three conferences last season with each champion getting a home game and an away game. At a push, you could do it in the space of a week with the east vs west game getting played on the Wednesday most years for travel distance reasons. Then tier 6 champion vs team 42 home and away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 14/12/2019 at 02:26, San Starko Rover said: Sorry but for me the HL/LL boundary is about right Inverness, Aberdeen, Dundee (North) Edinburgh, Glasgow (South) the only question is should it be a straight line or run along regional areas. Yes lots of teams that fall in the North would rather it was moved as they'd recruit players more easily but moving it creates a ridiculous imbalance between the two areas akin to the SOS and WRJFA and the Lowland already has far more clubs. The East Juniors understandably want it moved as some teams North of the Tay play in the East Juniors but the East Juniors never played as far south as Tweedmouth and Hawick and it seems unfair to force the Borders teams into further travel to suit a few teams. The NRJFA, NCL, ERJFA (North of tay) and HL need to sit down and work out a structure to feed the HL and let the SOS, WRJFA, EOS and LL work out the best structure to feed the LL. Personally I think the LL should be fed by East and West leagues. The HL should be fed by two leagues split geographically between Inverness and Aberdeen. I concur with your views. When NCL reps met members of the PWG (informally), they confirmed their interest in joining the pyramid, but only if there was a separate feeder league for North & West Highland & Island clubs, including the City of Inverness. However this matter was not progressed because the NRJFA clubs weren't interested in joining the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, parsforlife said: Aye people are just assuming that the play-offs would be a straight 4 way fight but it’s more likely to be a 3 way play-off for a chance to play club 42 Yes, a 3-way 'round robin' (EoSL style) with the winner playing SPFL 42 in the play-off final. This arrangement could be reviewed after (say) 3 years, by which time the West will be established in the pyramid. That would also be an opportunity to seek changes in promotion & relegation arrangements at tiers 4, 5 & 6. The above assumes that each of the 3 feeder league champions, are licensed . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 What is the benefit of a LL East and a LL West exactly? Another split tier that keeps the spfl clubs happy.... And gives the west juniors a better footing than tier 6 entry in the pyramid..... Jumping a few steps in the process.... Not for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, G4Mac said: What is the benefit of a LL East and a LL West exactly? Another split tier that keeps the spfl clubs happy.... And gives the west juniors a better footing than tier 6 entry in the pyramid..... Jumping a few steps in the process.... Not for me. 1) A north/south split is not logical long-term. The population of the south is massive compared to the north and having them both sitting equally makes no sense. 2) It would push the South of Scotland League down a further tier which would help the pyramid as the league covers a tiny area of Scotland and very few, if any, of the clubs seem to be interested in playing at a higher level. If all the juniors join the pyramid, then imagine the strength of the Lowland League in a few years time compared to the Highland League and the number of clubs in the southern half of the pyramid compared to the north. Right now, we've got just 17 clubs in the north in the pyramid (with 32 in the juniors below that and not connected to the pyramid). In the south, you've got 71 clubs already (including 3 reserve sides) and 101 in the east/west juniors. Even removing the reserves, you're already at 49 vs 169 clubs in the seniors/juniors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 What is the benefit of a LL East and a LL West exactly? Another split tier that keeps the spfl clubs happy.... And gives the west juniors a better footing than tier 6 entry in the pyramid..... Jumping a few steps in the process.... Not for me. It wouldn't just be West clubs who "jump" to the 5th tier - there are currently only 10 East clubs in the Lowland League so there would be several places opened up for the East too as I pointed out above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, craigkillie said: 12 hours ago, G4Mac said: What is the benefit of a LL East and a LL West exactly? Another split tier that keeps the spfl clubs happy.... And gives the west juniors a better footing than tier 6 entry in the pyramid..... Jumping a few steps in the process.... Not for me. It wouldn't just be West clubs who "jump" to the 5th tier - there are currently only 10 East clubs in the Lowland League so there would be several places opened up for the East too as I pointed out above. No club can play at tier 5 without a Licence. The suggestion is that a West/East LL split happens for 2021/22, which may be optimistic if the idea gains any traction (I don't think it will). No clarity on what happens next season. No clarity on the SPFL's view. No idea if the LL will like the idea. I think these are just ideas borne out of PWG chat, nothing more than that at this stage. The quick win and step forward is for the West to come in next season themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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