Ped Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The easiest way would to adopt the English FA vase idea 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ped said: The easiest way would to adopt the English FA vase idea More the FA Trophy which is for the National League and some of the other top non-leagues. The Scottish Amateur Cup would be like the FA Vase. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The EoSL dealt okay with the 'round robin' Conference play-offs last season. If the West clubs join, only ONE promotion spot to the SLL, shared with the EoSL (no, I haven't forgotten the much weaker SoSL), sounds like a pyramid 'log jam'. to me. Also, Edinburgh City (and now Cove Rangers) seem to have coped, even though they now play 36 league games in the SPFL each season. Discounting the popular Scottish Cup, would fans prefer cup games to league fixtures ? Which attracts the higher attendances ? The EoS didn’t play a 34 game league and wasn’t a inter division play-off so running behind was never an issue.The 36 game spfl Callander can’t be compared with LL, firstly the LL needs to declare a champion over 2 weeks earlier and otherwise needs to allow for more cup games(there will be clubs involved in 6 cups with 3/4 being the norm in spfl), you say drop cup games but where? the south challenge cup isn’t going away and neither is the LL going to want to lose out on opportunities to play spfl clubs. You could play the qualifying cup midweek I guess, but that’s about it. Lowland League cup is post-season anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 07/12/2019 at 11:34, FairWeatherFan said: Going forward it's more likely to be a new competition formed. Which has always been the idea from the Senior side of things. I badly hope this happens, because the name recognition matters. You could have identical cup competitions with the same clubs, but if Linlithgow Rose drew someone like Pollok at home the mere name of the Junior Cup would put hundreds more on the gate than 'South Challenge Cup' (which is a rubbish name anyway). If we made the final, we'd get a few hundred travelling to a South Challenge Cup final, but 5,000 to a Junior Cup final. It doesn't matter if the HL clubs don't join - it would be great if they did, but no loss if they don't. The name matters - it's the only non-league competition most folk in these communities have heard of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, GordonS said: I badly hope this happens, because the name recognition matters. You could have identical cup competitions with the same clubs, but if Linlithgow Rose drew someone like Pollok at home the mere name of the Junior Cup would put hundreds more on the gate than 'South Challenge Cup' (which is a rubbish name anyway). If we made the final, we'd get a few hundred travelling to a South Challenge Cup final, but 5,000 to a Junior Cup final. It doesn't matter if the HL clubs don't join - it would be great if they did, but no loss if they don't. The name matters - it's the only non-league competition most folk in these communities have heard of. The name matters, but the name is also a problem. You will not get a all-encompassing non-league competition by calling it "Junior". I'm sure the great minds of Scottish football can come up with an alternative which will, over time, capture the imagination. With the SFA taking ownership of Hampden, that alone would boost the profile of a new competition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The name matters, but the name is also a problem. You will not get a all-encompassing non-league competition by calling it "Junior". I'm sure the great minds of Scottish football can come up with an alternative which will, over time, capture the imagination. With the SFA taking ownership of Hampden, that alone would boost the profile of a new competition. Will there be an appetite amongst all non league clubs for a national competition? You can understand that a national junior cup was the holy grail, as it meant the winners were the top dogs in the country at that particular grade at football. But would this still be the case for the Lowland League clubs etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, energyzone said: 5 hours ago, Burnie_man said: The name matters, but the name is also a problem. You will not get a all-encompassing non-league competition by calling it "Junior". I'm sure the great minds of Scottish football can come up with an alternative which will, over time, capture the imagination. With the SFA taking ownership of Hampden, that alone would boost the profile of a new competition. Will there be an appetite amongst all non league clubs for a national competition? You can understand that a national junior cup was the holy grail, as it meant the winners were the top dogs in the country at that particular grade at football. But would this still be the case for the Lowland League clubs etc? The LL clubs already participate in the South Region Challenge Cup which has grown to the point it has 7 rounds. If you included every current pyramid league outside the SPFL, add the NCL and the SJFA clubs to that competition it would have 8 rounds. So it wouldn't be significantly different to the commitment they currently make. Plus clubs opt out of the Junior Cup and the Amateur Cup. Why would this be any different? Girvan are eligible to compete in the South Region Challenge Cup due to their previous participation in the last Qualifying Cup (South). They choose not to compete. All you really have to do is rebrand the SFA* South Region Challenge Cup to the Scottish Open Challenge Cup and invite all pyramid league clubs or SFA members not in the SPFL. *Not actually ran by the SFA anymore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswelldriver Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The name matters, but the name is also a problem. You will not get a all-encompassing non-league competition by calling it "Junior". I'm sure the great minds of Scottish football can come up with an alternative which will, over time, capture the imagination. With the SFA taking ownership of Hampden, that alone would boost the profile of a new competition. They could rename it the Scottish Regionals Cup ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Did the PWG meeting happen last night? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, edinabear said: Did the PWG meeting happen last night? It's meant to be tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: It's meant to be tonight. Anyone want to speculate on the outcome ? It's very quiet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Robert James said: Anyone want to speculate on the outcome ? It's very quiet. It hasn't been all that quiet. Coming out of a West Region meeting earlier there seems to be the believe that the West Region will be allowed to enter on its own for 2020-21. That's a shift from the SJFA's West & East in together with the North left to do its own thing. There will probably be an update over how the SJFA's trial of SFA rules and ability to meet the requirements of the pyramid calendar. The proposal of the West coming in on its own. The trial seems to be going okay and the West idea already has backing from the senior leagues. Then you'll get the details that probably won't get anywhere near resolved today: LL play-off format Possible additional promotion to the LL HL/LL boundary and Tayside's place in the pyramid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: It hasn't been all that quiet. Coming out of a West Region meeting earlier there seems to be the believe that the West Region will be allowed to enter on its own for 2020-21. That's a shift from the SJFA's West & East in together with the North left to do its own thing. There will probably be an update over how the SJFA's trial of SFA rules and ability to meet the requirements of the pyramid calendar. The proposal of the West coming in on its own. The trial seems to be going okay and the West idea already has backing from the senior leagues. Then you'll get the details that probably won't get anywhere near resolved today: LL play-off format Possible additional promotion to the LL HL/LL boundary and Tayside's place in the pyramid Two and a half years, nearly 18000 posts and finally a synopsis we can all understand and relate to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I wonder if the old firm colts joining will be brought up?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stulch Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Will the West moving on mass lead to more clubs from the East moving to the EoS? Those South of the HL/LL line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, stulch said: Will the West moving on mass lead to more clubs from the East moving to the EoS? Those South of the HL/LL line? It may do. If there's some sort of news about the West coming following tonight's meeting, there won't be anything about the East. There's still all the same existing issues. Even if there's suggestions made there's going to be no clarity. Then the next PWG might not be for a couple of months. So with the EoSFL's deadline of March 31st you might as well go with that certainty rather than be left out. Kinnoull came in very last minute to replace Eyemouth. That looks to me like there was still some interest from East Region clubs and I don't think that would of changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: Two and a half years, nearly 18000 posts and finally a synopsis we can all understand and relate to. He needs chased off the thread before it catches on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11TH MAY 1991 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Can anybody list the attendees of tonight`s meeting please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Can anybody list the attendees of tonight`s meeting please?Be in the minutes when the 1st to leak gets them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, 11TH MAY 1991 said: Can anybody list the attendees of tonight`s meeting please? Out of the published minutes the following attended both the November 2018 and January 2019 PWG minutes: Andrew Renwick (Vice-President, East of Scotland FA) George Fraser (Chairman, Scottish Lowland Football League) Ian Maxwell (Chief Executive, Scottish FA) John Greenhorn (Secretary, East of Scotland FA) Laura Dougan (Head of Football Governance, Scottish FA) Richard Osborne (Secretary Southern Counties FA) Sandy Bryson (Head of Registrations Department, Scottish FA) Tom Johnston (Secretary, Scottish Junior FA) Vicki McMullan (Disciplinary Department Manager & Judicial Panel Secretary, Scottish FA) November 2018 only Iain McQueen (Asst Secretary/Treasurer SJFA) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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