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The SJC doesn't need "resurrected", it still exists and will be played for in season 2021-22, albeit with fewer teams than it used to have.

Talks are underway, though, concerning an all-encompassing Scottish Cup for all teams from tier 5 down. It is not imminent, but may not be too far away given the quick development of the pyramid in the Highland League area.

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13 minutes ago, glensmad said:

The SJC doesn't need "resurrected", ...

It arguably does when viewed from the perspective of former SJFA members in the EoS and LL who now have a South rather than a Scottish competition as their flagship cup tournament and no viable way back into the SJFA (only open to east and north region clubs plus WoS as currently constituted). Good to hear there are active negotiations on an all-encompassing sub-SPFL national cup for the semi-professional level. 

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4 hours ago, glensmad said:

The SJC doesn't need "resurrected", it still exists and will be played for in season 2021-22, albeit with fewer teams than it used to have.

Talks are underway, though, concerning an all-encompassing Scottish Cup for all teams from tier 5 down. It is not imminent, but may not be too far away given the quick development of the pyramid in the Highland League area.

That would be good, the one thing I'd miss if west teams leave the SJFA is our trips over there in the SJC, I've had some very enjoyable trips that way in the last few seasons.

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5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Bizarre that some of the most anti-SJFA posters on here suddenly seem to be cheerleading its continued existance.

Pointing out that the SJFA can open up their membership to non-Junior leagues doesn't count as cheerleading. If anything it highlights the hypocrisy of doing so last year for the West alone. Which was said at the time.

 

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Now that the West have gone Senior, leaving few juniors behind - couldn't the Amateur and SJC be merged for clubs at lower levels ? Only an idea. Guessing clubs would enter either Amateur/Junior ora Senior Cup, or maybe just get rid of the terminology used ? Just glad that all clubs survive and manage to play football, at whatever levels.

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Apart from organising the Junior Cup, what purpose does the SJFA now serve?

Do they do anything for the two remaining junior-ish leagues that the leagues couldn't do themselves?

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10 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Apart from organising the Junior Cup, what purpose does the SJFA now serve?

None whatsoever and it's far from clear that a Midlands & Grampian Leagues plus some of the WoS clubs cup competition has any long term future at this point. It will be interesting to see how many WoS clubs renew their SJFA membership and how many decide they would prefer to decongest an otherwise already very busy fixture list.

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Maybe now's the time for the SJFA to call it a day and let the SFA administer the remaining members that are in what are all now effectively Senior leagues. The Junior Cup was big in its day but to try and continue with it in its highly truncated state..?

As others have said the fixture calendar is very full and unless an already existing competition is mothballed I can't see any future for it.

It's ironic that the full record of the competition has been at last published on its apparent deathbed...

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11 hours ago, sfha said:

Maybe now's the time for the SJFA to call it a day and let the SFA administer the remaining members that are in what are all now effectively Senior leagues. The Junior Cup was big in its day but to try and continue with it in its highly truncated state..?

Outside looking in you would think so. However, the North & what will be the Midlands still look tied to the SJFA's apron strings not willing to move on. Going by what was said in the blurb above the SJFA themselves are clinging on to the idea they'll still have the current 54 members in the WoSFL next season, all while losing members elsewhere.

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33 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Nothing like trying to rewrite history...

 

😂😂😂

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Think it's time to move ahead and call it professionals and amateurs, the Juniors gave me my  first look at Scottish non league, brilliant clubs , grounds, and fans. These clubs have decided to move upwards with ground improvements etc, and deserve our support more than ever.  Maybe the remaining (junior) clubs could play in revamped Scottish Cup preliminary rounds, rather than just the licensed clubs. Only an idea.

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On 24 May 2021 at 13:11, Ginaro said:

Nothing like trying to rewrite history...

 

That's downright embarrassing.

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On 24/05/2021 at 13:11, Ginaro said:

Nothing like trying to rewrite history...

 

No, he was pro-pyramid.

Just so long as the Juniors entered en masse at Tier 5 and entirely separately from and parallel to the rest of the non-league seniors.

With the Junior Cup having precedence. 

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No, he was pro-pyramid.
Just so long as the Juniors entered en masse at Tier 5 and entirely separately from and parallel to the rest of the non-league seniors.
With the Junior Cup having precedence. 
I think the term more accurately is; "Pro-Juniors in the Pyramid on our terms or GTF", however that only eventually came about after a simple "GTF" at the start.

He was not pro-Pyramid.

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25 minutes ago, GordonS said:

No, he was pro-pyramid.

Just so long as the Juniors entered en masse at Tier 5 and entirely separately from and parallel to the rest of the non-league seniors.

With the Junior Cup having precedence. 

And the choice to turn down promotion. 

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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:

I think the term more accurately is; "Pro-Juniors in the Pyramid on our terms or GTF", however that only eventually came about after a simple "GTF" at the start.

He was not pro-Pyramid.

That's what I meant. And as FWF says as well, with the option of declining promotion.

I wonder if he wanted them to be able to refuse a relegated club too.

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TJ and his cadre probably stalled the Junior entry into the pyramid for about 5 years.

You can still see that Junior mentality showing up in the WoSFL with the pantomime of the newcomers. You can build a Wembley but if we don't like yer face you ain't getting in. What the f**k is that all about?

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After recent horrific events in this charade the more junior men involved in this 'new dawn ' the better.

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After recent horrific events in this charade the more junior men involved in this 'new dawn ' the better.
"Junior men"

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