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1 minute ago, Burnieman said:
11 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said:
Yep,was speaking to an Armadale Thistle player who I work with and he said it was the ATFC committee's wish to win the east (south) junior league this season as it's the "last" ever!!
And yeah they're applying to join the EoS for next season emoji106.png

And "your" mob I believe, so you'll be able to return to Central Park now.

Good news burnie👍

Bang on,Myself and friends told the committee we wont be back until WJFC were in the EoS!!

Hopefully we'll back next season....

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38 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

I had a look at the South Superleague table to see where things stand. While its still very early doors Syngenta and Bo'ness United Juniors have got off to a decent start with two wins and a draw (against each other). Maybe a wee reminder of how far some of the traditional clubs have fallen.

Fallen?

But, but ... they're in a "Superleague"😉.

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3 hours ago, Burnieman said:
3 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:
Yep,was speaking to an Armadale Thistle player who I work with and he said it was the ATFC committee's wish to win the east (south) junior league this season as it's the "last" ever!!
And yeah they're applying to join the EoS for next season emoji106.png

And "your" mob I believe, so you'll be able to return to Central Park now.

We've been hearing that for the last two seasons then they get scared.

 

3 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:

Good news burnie👍

Bang on,Myself and friends told the committee we wont be back until WJFC were in the EoS!!

Hopefully we'll back next season....

Hopefully Whitburn and the others will joins us all next season

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1 hour ago, Stag Nation said:

Fallen?

But, but ... they're in a "Superleague"😉.

Has anybody actually been trying to argue that since the Fife clubs all left? Haven't seen or heard that happening anywhere, presumably becuse everybody knows it would by patently absurd. Not entirely clear why the West Lothian clubs hung in there for the extra season, but maybe they mistakenly believed they could hook up with a faction in the west somehow and were not expecting an LL organised WoS to have 63 out of 63. 

The EoS will definitely benefit from having Whitburn, Bathgate, Armadale and Fauldhouse on board once they do their self-inflicted stint at tier 8. A seventh tier next season looks a bit short on quality compared to the way things were at the comparable level in the old east region with very few West Lothian and no Dundee/Angus clubs around and Bo'ness, Kelty and Bonnyrigg having moved on to bigger things at tier 5.

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9 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:

Good news burnie👍

Bang on,Myself and friends told the committee we wont be back until WJFC were in the EoS!!

Hopefully we'll back next season....

The silence from the committee is worrying though. It’s as if they haven’t learnt from the mistake to not join the super league years ago. I have asked in the clubs Facebook pages a number of times but never gotten an answer 

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The West Lothian clubs that used to be big teams simply suffered from a lack of reality and ambition. The price they are having to pay is that when they do finally admit they need to move, it will take a good few years to catch up on teams they were traditionally ahead of, or considered as equals. It may never happen again for some of them.
Some of them will just fold.

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If Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts, Crossgates Primrose and Blackburn can feature in the east premier, it's difficult to try to argue that the bar is set as high as was the case with the east superleague. Think the larger clubs that can get licensed reasonably easily like Whitburn, Armadale and Bathgate will bounce back OK everntually in EoS terms but have put a serious dent into their chances of ever getting to the LL. The main question mark is probably more what happens with Syngenta and the Bo'ness United and Sauchie tribute acts (the Lithgae one seems to have already folded) as the former has already been knocked back once when Little Kerse was viewed as unsuitable and reserve teams don't appear to be viewed too favourably (or in Sauche's case likely to even be possible) in the latter. 

Will be interesting to see what happens with the Tayside clubs. There were mainstream media quotes from an EoS official in 2018 that made it sound like the Club 42 boundary applied, but patriot who is linked to St Andrews United has more recently made it clear that clubs are being told in EoS meetings that there is no geographical limit on who can apply and have their application voted on by the existing membership. Given the way the rules are written that was arguably always the case, if any club had wanted to test out what would happen as Luncarty subsequently did earlier this year.

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Most of the larger clubs were in the middle of a lull before the moves to the EoSFL. Whitburn were getting relegated back down to the South Division, Bathgate just avoided relegation there. Armadale were trying to climb their way out of the South. It was really only Fauldhouse that were doing well with what would have been promotion to the Superleague, and they've gone through some changes since then.

They've all probably been hampered in first team recruitment by being in the Juniors and behind in terms of development teams as well. If the EoSFL do regionalise the bottom tier it will be even harder to get out as they're all in it together. Getting licenced early will at least get them back on level playing field with those that left early.

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

If Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts, Crossgates Primrose and Blackburn can feature in the east premier, it's difficult to try to argue that the bar is set as high as was the case with the east superleague. Think the larger clubs that can get licensed reasonably easily like Whitburn, Armadale and Bathgate will bounce back OK everntually in EoS terms but have put a serious dent into their chances of ever getting to the LL. The main question mark is probably more what happens with Syngenta and the Bo'ness United and Sauchie tribute acts (the Lithgae one seems to have already folded) as the former has already been knocked back once when Little Kerse was viewed as unsuitable and reserve teams don't appear to be viewed too favourably (or in Sauche's case likely to even be possible) in the latter. 

Will be interesting to see what happens with the Tayside clubs. There were mainstream media quotes from an EoS official in 2018 that made it sound like the Club 42 boundary applied, but patriot who is linked to St Andrews United has more recently made it clear that clubs are being told in EoS meetings that there is no geographical limit on who can apply and have their application voted on by the existing membership. Given the way the rules are written that was arguably always the case, if any club had wanted to test out what would happen as Luncarty subsequently did earlier this year.

Two points on your first point. 1 it's a bigger league as their is 18 clubs. The east super league was 12 clubs for a.long time before going to 18 clubs. Who are we missing lochee carnoustie broughty and fauldhouse. All had ups and downs 

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1 minute ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Two points on your first point. 1 it's a bigger league as their is 18 clubs. The east super league was 12 clubs for a.long time before going to 18 clubs. Who are we missing lochee carnoustie broughty and fauldhouse. All had ups and downs 

You're also forgetting Kelty Hearts, Bonnyrigg Rose, and Bo'ness United. Potentially another to be promoted out of it by the end of this season. The EoS Premier is never going to be the old East Super by virtue of being in the pyramid.

 

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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

You're also forgetting Kelty Hearts, Bonnyrigg Rose, and Bo'ness United. Potentially another to be promoted out of it by the end of this season. The EoS Premier is never going to be the old East Super by virtue of being in the pyramid.

 

Very good point. Not got the glass ceiling anymore

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On 13/12/2020 at 14:49, FairWeatherFan said:

Changes to Tier 5 are going to depend on what happens above with any SPFL reconstruction and/or the increased number of West of Scotland teams getting licensed. 

Can we expect that some WoSL clubs will obtain an SFA Licence in time for season 2021/22 ?  If so, it will be interesting to see how the WoSL champions (if licensed in time)  will get on against the EoSL(or SoSL) champions at the end of the 2021/22 season.

At present in the West,  only Glasgow University are licensed.

 

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46 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Can we expect that some WoSL clubs will obtain an SFA Licence in time for season 2021/22 ?  If so, it will be interesting to see how the WoSL champions (if licensed in time)  will get on against the EoSL(or SoSL) champions at the end of the 2021/22 season.

At present in the West,  only Glasgow University are licensed.

 

There's no rush, some clubs will push to be licensed and then hopefully get promotion, some will not.  That's the beauty of the pyramid, if you want to try and see how far you can go then its there for you.  if you want to stay where you are then you can

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Tayport chairman David Baikie on Down the Divisions podcast saying that if the Juniors don't enter the pyramid system at the end of this season, Tayport will join the EOS.

From 18 minutes https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-94t7x-c713219

"We feel we have to go into the EOS or into the pyramid system for the start of next season"

Tayside teams apparently trying to negotiate a Midlands league (covering Fife, Perthshire, Tayside) as one of four LL feeders.

He also said that 30 years ago whilst manager along with the club secretary they put a pyramid proposal in the Dundee Telegraph and they got a reprimand from the SJFA for doing it!

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Mentions being south of the dividing line

That the HL and EoS "dinnae want them" where the Dundee clubs are concerned that are north of the dividing line

Says he is not up to date on how the Midlands League proposal is going

Stayed out of a sense of loyalty to the old Tayside region and wanting clubs to move as a block, but Tayport as a club now need to move to the EoS if that doesn't happen.

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