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Unless the number of deaths drop right down, new cases similarly, ok to distance being a fan - can the players be tested ? and do they feel safe to play ? I would guess Sept/Oct at least, hopeful as ever. As to the other story, think a 4hr trip is a bit too far to be honest. The HL will always be difficult, can't help geography playing a part.

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9 hours ago, traffordab said:

It's Protectionism Central.

Suprised the pyramid ultras don't come here and apologies for the abuse they gave posters who pointed out the dangers. Now some further up the tree want to stop relegation and promotion and entry to the Scottish Cup for two seasons.

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1 hour ago, Tutankhamen said:

It's Protectionism Central.

Suprised the pyramid ultras don't come here and apologies for the abuse they gave posters who pointed out the dangers. Now some further up the tree want to stop relegation and promotion and entry to the Scottish Cup for two seasons.

Yip, really should be on here apologising for a global pandemic and things that haven't actually happened.

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1 hour ago, Tutankhamen said:

It's Protectionism Central.

Suprised the pyramid ultras don't come here and apologies for the abuse they gave posters who pointed out the dangers. Now some further up the tree want to stop relegation and promotion and entry to the Scottish Cup for two seasons.

Mate you won't here from them. 

It's a combination of many things. 

These pyramid ultras in lala land don't see what's coming hurtling towards them.

The main culprits in these online forums can't stand junior officials, the concept of junior football as a whole .

They have banged on about it so long with tunnel vision and  besmirched the name of certain individuals and clubs  then expect everyone to play along nicely now that they feel like they have achieved something.

They have converted a handful and dragged along the unconvinced majority with them.  

Then you have the spreadsheet, football nerd types and know it all spfl senior fans  who love to draw up permutations  who don't really support a club or junior community all they see is rules.  regulations, names of individuals,  names of teams and officials on a screen or newspaper. 

The noose around the pyramids neck has tighten it will continue to tightened and leave the worst of both world's no real pyramid and a fantastic grade of football pulled apart.

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Mate you won't here from them.  It's a combination of many things. 

These pyramid ultras in lala land don't see what's coming hurtling towards them.

The main culprits in these online forums can't stand junior officials, the concept of junior football as a whole .

They have banged on about it so long with tunnel vision and  besmirched the name of certain individuals and clubs  then expect everyone to play along nicely now that they feel like they have achieved something.

They have converted a handful and dragged along the unconvinced majority with them.  

Then you have the spreadsheet, football nerd types and know it all spfl senior fans  who love to draw up permutations  who don't really support a club or junior community all they see is rules.  regulations, names of individuals,  names of teams and officials on a screen or newspaper. 

The noose around the pyramids neck has tighten it will continue to tightened and leave the worst of both world's no real pyramid and a fantastic grade of football pulled apart.

 

 

Try and explain how junior football was working for most teams. At least make an effort.

 

Considering, until recently, the West Region was run by a man who admitted to using a racist slur at a meeting, and who lied about the pyramid.

 

Need me to go on? I’m probably on ignore anyway...

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17 minutes ago, Sunrise said:

 

Try and explain how junior football was working for most teams. At least make an effort.

 

Considering, until recently, the West Region was run by a man who admitted to using a racist slur at a meeting, and who lied about the pyramid.

 

Need me to go on? I’m probably on ignore anyway...

You think the gang of rednecks won't turn up in non league West? You think they won't pull the same strokes because of the Senior tag? Changing the name from Junior to Senior won't stop the Friday night phone calls or the keys to the dressing rooms going missing the morning of an Old Firm game. Talbot and a few others will make it up into the LL and the rest, well they might as be Juniors. Let's see if they produce a full seasons fixture list for 2020/21 for the four West leagues.

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On 09/05/2020 at 09:41, traffordab said:

Let's face it the sfa and 42 spfl football league clubs are bizarrely making the sjfa and it's regional associations look competent.

What have the junior clubs let themselves in for getting involved in this circus! 

They'd have been far better served flushing out those that needed flushing out years ago in the sjfa and regions and continuing to make what was a great alternative to senior football even better by giving people now  totally disgruntled with the senior game an excellent alternative instead they have got themselves involving in the mother of all shitstorms that will last a generation. 

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On 09/05/2020 at 11:09, Dev said:

Incomplete playing seasons are very rare but they have happened, under exceptional circumstances, in the past within the UK/NI. Think of War-time situations, Foot-and-Mouth.

The Football Associations in the UK/NI, understandably, didn't consider it necessary to build in provisions for what happens when seasons are terminated early through no fault of the organisations involved. This is now showing to have been a mistake. This early close-down of a season situation could happen again - even in 2020/21.

Rules need to be brought in by the SFA and their equivalents elsewhere in UK/NI so that everyone knows where they stand if the worst re-occurs.

In the mean-time  the FA's need to accept responsibility for their own pyramids. Pyramids are a form of binding contractual arrangement after all and that means that movement has to continue, thus avoiding a constraint of trade situation, even if it is only upwards i.e. no relegations unless an individual club desires to take relegation.  

Imbalances due to certain divisions/leagues gaining one or two extra clubs to be ironed out at the end of the next full season via additional, pre-agreed relegations.

What's this "NI" business? If you mean Northern Ireland, then "NI" is superfluous as Northern Ireland is in the UK. Or, change "UK" to "GB".

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7 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

What's this "NI" business? If you mean Northern Ireland, then "NI" is superfluous as Northern Ireleand is in the UK. Or, change "UK" to "GB".

Definitely bizarre terminology. Maybe he's thinking about how NI is still going to be a wee spot in Europe in EU customs union terms post-Brexit depending on how the exit deal unfolds?

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4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Definitely bizarre terminology. Maybe he's thinking about how NI is still going to be a wee spot in Europe in EU customs union terms post-Brexit depending on how the exit deal unfolds?

I suppose we've bother enough with the terms junior/senior/national without getting into a debate about UK/GB/British...

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On 10/05/2020 at 17:06, traffordab said:

It has been a concentrated effort to discredit a grade of football that served communities well for decades. The irony is these people and this sham pyramid was always going to be exposed and ruthlessly tore apart and it has in an even quicker time than many skeptical of the whole thing could even predict. 

The very labels given to the junior officials could easily be labeled at senior officials even more so! 

The dream never really was a goer in reality only ever on a keyboard and web page. 

:lol:

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12 hours ago, traffordab said:

...The noose around the pyramids neck has tighten it will continue to tightened and leave the worst of both world's no real pyramid and a fantastic grade of football pulled apart.

No reconstruction means the Club 42 playoff is still there unchanged. Not ideal but better than nothing. Despite your theatrics on this subject the WoS is going to be much the same as the west region probably with some of the same officials in place after the dust settles with the SJC still there for those that want it. Nothing has been pulled apart where the west is concerned thanks to what Gordon Roney managed to do in keeping all the clubs together.

The major difference will be that Auchinleck Talbot will be expected to move up the pyramid to a level where they lose more than they win if they keep winning league titles and want to be able to play in the senior Scottish Cup. That in turn should kick some life back into more clubs in spectator interest terms again as they start to be competitive for west silverware and the SJC when Talbot and others move up to the LL and beyond.

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All of the "issues" that the troll and his lapdog are attempting to raise and yet deliciously EVERY SINGLE Junior club in the West of Scotland decided to leave behind the woderful "grade" and move to the Senior leagues.

I wonder why......

The salty salty tears of those that hanker for the past and refuse to embrace the future are wonderful to behold. 

 

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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

No reconstruction means the Club 42 playoff is still there unchanged. Not ideal but better than nothing. Despite your theatrics on this subject the WoS is going to be much the same as the west region probably with some of the same officials in place after the dust settles with the SJC still there for those that want it. Nothing has been pulled apart where the west is concerned thanks to what Gordon Roney managed to do in keeping all the clubs together.

The major difference will be that Auchinleck Talbot will be expected to move up the pyramid to a level where they lose more than they win if they keep winning league titles and want to be able to play in the senior Scottish Cup. That in turn should kick some life back into more clubs in spectator interest terms again as they start to be competitive for west silverware and the SJC when Talbot and others move up to the LL and beyond.

'Not ideal but better than nothing'

That sums up tens of thousands of post on this whole thing.

A good 90 per cent of scottish football fans and officials and club chairman have no interest in a 'pyramid' that's why it always be a mish mash and absolute clusterfuck stumbling from one disaster to another, one battle for relevance to another. 

That is the harsh reality .

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4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

What's this "NI" business? If you mean Northern Ireland, then "NI" is superfluous as Northern Ireland is in the UK. Or, change "UK" to "GB".

You may be right but that's how I understand it to be hence UK & NI.

 

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49 minutes ago, Dev said:

You may be right but that's how I understand it to be hence UK & NI.

 

There wouldn't be any UK without NI, it would just be Great Britain. Are you American?

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