FairWeatherFan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Looks like no East Region representative in the Scottish Cup next season then... As we all know the East Region doesn't talk to the SFA. Maybe if they did things would have went differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lowland team said: The difference to the English F.A.cup is all competing are members of the F.A.as its a members compition.unlike here in Scotland,thats the point.just like the Scottish junior cup is only open to its members.the s.f.a.have suggested the same mantra be adopted here for season 22/23 they produced a paper at their congress in October for debate which was to be put out in time for June's AGM adopting the the same members only policy.dont know where we are with it.the agenda comes out 2 weeks before the AGM. Splitting hairs if I may, but all clubs are Registered Members of the SFA, incuding those presently attached to the SJFA. You're talking about Associate & Full Membership which got tied up in Club Licencing. Edited April 22, 2020 by cmontheloknow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 So the West Region decision was made by the committee, and Auchinleck Talbot have a rep on the committee. They were also unfortunately down a member due to their passing. Why didn't the Region just put this out its membership? Like the SPFL, Highland League, North Region, and EoSFL have done to my knowledge. I think it has just been the Lowland Leage and East Region that have left it to their committees so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 The English FA Cup has teams down to step 6/7 where leagues have fairly strict ground grading. A lot of the lower Scottish grounds are basically County level with just railed off pitches, if the need for 2-300 seats and covered standing was introduced in Scotland, would clubs be able to do that ? Be great to have loads of teams in the Scottish Cup, maybe they'd have to play away games if they didn't have the desired facilities ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Going down well I see. Who was left on the committee when the decision was made if you've even got people sitting out of the discussion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 21 hours ago, stanley said: Despite me being very pro-all clubs being in the cup, it's worth noting that the FA Cup had 735 clubs involved this year and that Scotland has a population of around 10% of England so we actually do have more clubs per person involved than England. As every amateur club, junior club and senior non-league club, technically, had a shot at either the Amateur Cup, Junior Cup or the Alex Jack cup then we, technically, have far more than 735 clubs with a chance of being involved in the Scottish Cup. Taking it to extremes, I know, but the Scottish is open to almost every club in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 On 10/04/2020 at 10:16, Dev said: Presumably the clubs will be seeded so that each conference is approximately the same strength. Guessing that using PPG is more appropriate than simply taking the "final" league tables. PPG isn't perfect as some posters have pointed out e.g. some clubs will benefit if they haven't played their two fixtures against the leading clubs in their Division. Others will be penalised for having played against the top clubs and dropped points. The other issue is that clubs have played different numbers of league games at home compared with away. Clubs' can have very different results records for Home matches as against Away matches. The table below shows what happens when you do PPG for Home matches separately from Away matches and then add up the totals which are shown in the end column. I have given the three "relegated" clubs a lower PPG Position e.g. third bottom Troon would be 17 not 14. The reason is that I have rated the three "promoted" clubs from the Championship as PPG positions 14, 15 and 16 instead of 17, 18 and 19. Trying to reflect the view that they deserve to be ranked higher than the bottom three in the Premiership when seedings are used to decide which clubs play in which Conference. I will post the same info for the whole league separately: Season 2019/20 Premiership Overall Home Away PPG PPG PPG PPG Pos. Lg Table Pos. P PTS P PTS P PTS Home Away Total 1 3 Auchinleck Talbot 16 41 10 28 6 13 2.80 2.16 4.96 2 1 Kilwinning Rangers 25 53 12 27 13 26 2.25 2.00 4.25 3 2 Pollok 22 42 11 22 11 20 2.00 1.81 3.81 4 6 Glenafton Athletic 20 36 11 25 9 11 2.27 1.22 3.49 5 4 Irvine Meadow XI 22 38 10 19 12 19 1.90 1.58 3.48 6 7 Beith Juniors 21 34 10 16 11 18 1.60 1.63 3.23 7 12 Hurlford United 19 29 10 20 9 9 2.00 1.00 3.00 8 8 Kilbirnie Ladeside 24 33 12 25 12 8 2.08 0.66 2.74 9 5 Clydebank 28 37 15 20 13 17 1.33 1.300 2.63 10 9 Cumnock Juniors 25 32 12 19 13 13 1.58 1.00 2.58 11 10 Rossvale 25 32 13 15 12 17 1.15 1.41 2.56 12 11 Largs Thistle 25 31 14 24 11 7 1.71 0.63 2.34 13 14 Benburb 20 19 10 12 10 7 1.20 0.70 1.90 17 13 Troon 24 22 13 19 11 3 1.46 0.27 1.73 18 15 Rutherglen Glencairn 17 12 6 7 11 5 1.16 0.45 1.61 19 16 Kirkintilloch Rob Roy 17 6 6 0 11 6 0.00 0.54 0.54 Where've I seen this recently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 15 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Going down well I see. Who was left on the committee when the decision was made if you've even got people sitting out of the discussion? As much as I was critical of ronney at the time. Didnt know his motives in hindsight looking back though he did what he had to do and has got the right result and I'm a get a result type of guy. Much in the way our committee had to do to go to eosfl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpLok Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: As every amateur club, junior club and senior non-league club, technically, had a shot at either the Amateur Cup, Junior Cup or the Alex Jack cup then we, technically, have far more than 735 clubs with a chance of being involved in the Scottish Cup. Taking it to extremes, I know, but the Scottish is open to almost every club in Scotland. Just the NCL teams (apart from Golspie) and the Welfare teams who are excluded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Still pretty disgraceful that the NCL don't have a Scottish Cup Berth. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 There are also the Sunday Amateurs, like Dundee Argyle AFC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, lowenan said: There are also the Sunday Amateurs, like Dundee Argyle AFC. Can they not still apply to play in the Amateur Cup? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Can they not still apply to play in the Amateur Cup? It's a saturday cup. There's sunday version too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 As many clubs as possible should be entered. clubs should play at home ground whenever possible, if ground is unsuitable they play at nearest suitable venue. In the event of a ground switch being required a significant percentage (say 60-75%) of tickets sold above normal home ground capacity should go to the general prize pot. This is to stop clubs trying to game the system and try and get ties moved when it’s not strictly necessary. it was talked about for while about tightening up on clubs being able to move grounds and cash in but not sure anything happened. I can’t see qualifiers being removed yet despite the near annual idea they will be. NCL obviously should be given a spot, welfare possibly even though it’s not very strong. as for Sunday amateurs, nah. It’s long accepted that Saturday ams is for the clubs who take things more seriously and there are no other clubs who regularly play Sundays without other circumstances such as tv. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Sunday Ams is literally Sunday League, if these clubs want to play in the Scottish Cup, then they should either enter the pyramid or at the very least play on Saturdays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Only a quickie, does playing in the Scottish Cup hold any glory, as the FA Cup does ? If so let everyone have a go early on,then presumably only the better sides would make it through anyway. Decent prelim round prize money in the FA so it's worth going through 3or 4 rounds. Am not sure of the current Scottish prize monies,will have to Google. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Only a quickie, does playing in the Scottish Cup hold any glory as the FA Cup does ? If so let everyone have a go early on,then presumably only the better sides would make it through anyway. Decent prelim round prize money in the FA so it's worth going through 3or 4 rounds. Am not sure of the current Scottish prize monies,will have to Google. Fucking hell what sort of question is that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Sorry about that,too much lockdown taking effect ! Be good to see as many clubs in the Scottish Cup as possible,they aren't gonna win it , so let them enjoy being part of the journey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Andy groundhopper said: Sorry about that,too much lockdown taking effect ! Be good to see as many clubs in the Scottish Cup as possible,they aren't gonna win it , so let them enjoy being part of the journey. Dundee aren't going to win the cup, but it doesn't stop them playing in it every season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowland team Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 22/04/2020 at 14:41, cmontheloknow said: Splitting hairs if I may, but all clubs are Registered Members of the SFA, incuding those presently attached to the SJFA. You're talking about Associate & Full Membership which got tied up in Club Licencing. No their Not registered as members.thay are affiliated members through the sjfa.its the association which is the member.just like the caledonian league which is the member.not the individual clubs unless they are licensed which makes them members. Ie.banks o'dee.girvin.glasgow uni are all members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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