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Folk said the same thing about the EoS a couple of years back when most of the Juniors moved across, as though they were expected to magically plan for every single possible solution when they didn't know how many clubs (or which clubs) were going to apply.

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5 minutes ago, Countryman said:
 

68 West of Scotland League applications received and the next steps

 

In line with the previous statements this is the latest information regarding the new West of Scotland Football League (WoSFL) proposed by the Scottish Lowland Football League (SLFL) , East of Scotland Football League (EoSFL)  and  the South of Scotland Football League (SoSFL) .

By close of business on Tuesday April 7th 2020, 68 applications have been received from various areas of football. Those applications are now being reviewed and a further statement will be made early next week. The review is to ensure the information provided is complete and to ask Clubs for any further information where necessary.

The original next step was to invite the Clubs whose application has been accepted to an information meeting during April. That will not be possible due to current restrictions in place. The new plan is to hold a series of video conferencing meetings to discuss the possible set up of the League and arrangements for temporary management and administration. At the same time discussions will take place on the process and timetable for the creation of a WoSFL Board and administration.

Further information on the video conferences will be provided in the statement early next week and these will be arranged as soon as possible, certainly before the end of April.

Issued:

George Fraser (Chairperson SLFL), John Greenhorn (Chairperson EoSFL), Colin Holden (President SoSFL)

A couple of caveats in the statement ?

*  "review applications to ensure that the information provided is complete"

* the original next step was "to invite clubs whose application is accepted", which as stated, is not now possible

So its officially 68 applications, but not yet 68 applications being accepted. Video conferencing will be used by the SLL, as required, in time for a meeting with clubs",  certainly before the end of April. 

 

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1 hour ago, Marten said:

IMO it's only fair enough to let all the clubs together decide what the set-up should be. In this initial period, no long-term decisions should be taken, it should be about the first season and the clubs need to agree on the next.

One thing that needs to be kept in mind if the choice is 16-16-16-18 that just a few more applications later on can make it difficult to deal with, while 16-16-17/17 will probably be easier to deal with as the tier 8 can be split in 3 divisions if numbers increase, with the possibility of creating an extra tier for the season after. Currently there have been only 2 amateur applicants, but there could always be amateurs/youth clubs aiming to join at a later stage. Maybe they don't have a suitable ground yet and want to work on it, or they rather join at the bottom to avoid hammerings by the likes of Talbot. That needs to be kept in mind.

One thing which needs to be taken into account is that the WoS is a pyramid league i.e. there needs to be space left for additional clubs to join in the coming seasons so smaller divisions would allow this which divisions of 16 or more at the lowest Tier would not.

Another thing is that we have no idea if/when next season will start and end. It would be prudent to go to smaller divisions in the first season as conferences. The max 68 clubs could go to 4 x 17 clubs per conference which gives no room for error and makes it a tight fit when end of season play-offs are taken into consideration.

Alternatively, possibly, go 2 x 13 and 3 x 14 as this gives built-in flexibility. Also this makes fitting in the Junior Cup a little easier.

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1 hour ago, archieb said:

What's with this 16-16-17/17 nonsense?

IF the 66(?) clubs do ultimately opt for regionalisation at tier 8 then surely 16-18-16/16 would be the way to go.

That avoids the need for two tier 8 clubs to be idle every match day, AND makes a 4-down 2+2 up relegation/promotion arrangement more palatable for the tier 7 clubs.

….. so you would reject some clubs from membership just because it would make the conference numbers uneven?

There will be Cup matches as well as league matches and there will be free weekends anyway as a consequence of this and cup replays, postponed matches, etc, anyway!

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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

I personally would rather do it a tier at a time like has happened in the EoSFL. I'm only assuming they won't do that as most quotes around the Conferences idea from West Clubs has been that it would be for one season only.

It's going to be Seeded Conferences in 2020-21. Everyone has signed up to that idea which is why you see so many clubs mentioning it in statements and interviews. So the structure has been agreed. Beyond that it comes down to the members wishes in terms of shaping 2021-22.

 

Yes this has been announced by the SLL, albeit for ONE season only

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11 minutes ago, Dev said:

Alternatively, possibly, go 2 x 13 and 3 x 14 as this gives built-in flexibility. Also this makes fitting in the Junior Cup a little easier.

Which won't be a primary motivator for the league. Conferences, SCC and probably creating their own cup will be more important to squeeze in to a tight season.

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What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.

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1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.

2 teams we know that are looking for a home....... Old firm colts! 

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What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.
Possible Harthill could be one of them as they always on the border line of East/West

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4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that

"changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.

"The only explanation that fits"...........

Wishful thinking/speculation, without any facts to substantiate it being 2 ERJFA clubs ??

 

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3 minutes ago, Robert James said:
12 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that

"changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.

"The only explanation that fits"...........

Wishful thinking/speculation, without any facts to substantiate it being 2 ERJFA clubs ??

All of which sort of makes me wonder "Why all the secrecy?"  The EoSL applications were made over a week ago, and all the WoSL ones are in.  What is there to be gained by either organisation playing Secrets?   Just publish the names, then move on to the next stage.

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1 minute ago, honestly united said:

I have the same horrible feeling

as it was established there'd be no reserves in the league they will be rejected. Yes?

Anyway, on Twitter saw a wee hint it might be more likely a non-league pair.

Edited by cmontheloknow

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3 minutes ago, Robert James said:

"The only explanation that fits"...........

Wishful thinking/speculation, without any facts to substantiate it being 2 ERJFA clubs ??

 

^^^Does he really not understand that he has changed the meaning of my post completely by deliberately leaving out the caveat and pretending that was the start of the sentence? 

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4 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

as it was established there'd be no reserves in the league they will be rejected. Yes?

Anyway, on Twitter saw a wee hint it might be more likely a non-league pair.

This one?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

^^^Does he really not understand that he has changed the meaning of my post completely by deliberately leaving out the caveat and pretending that was the start of the sentence? 

Just set him to ignore, saves having to do five-dimensional brain exercises to work out what he's on about most of the time.

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21 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

What peope have been telling us is that all 63 west region clubs were in and there were 3 non-juniors. Unless that changed at the very last minute the only explanation that fits to get to 68 is 2 east region junior clubs.

How does "2 east region junior clubs" fit with "3 non-juniors"?

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2 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

How does "2 east region junior clubs" fit with "3 non-juniors"?

You need 2 extra junior clubs to get to 68.

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