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18 minutes ago, RedEd said:

Excellent. Makes a lot of sense, although the traditionalists might not like it since they developed from a boys club.

Tradition/history can be a dangerous thing for a club. Just because you have a past, doesn’t mean you’ll have a great future.  In fact I’ll bet many fans and committees out there don’t have any growth strategy at all, merely clubs plodding into obscurity. 
 

If Bonnyton are doing great work in their community - good luck to them will serve them well for the future if they get it right.

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33 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

But we won't know what club goes into the playoff until the conclusion of the spfl play-off. It could be bottom , 2nd bottom or even 3rd bottom. 

You can't have a scenario where a club finished 3rd bottom, gets knocked out in the first league cup game and then sits about waiting for 3 or 4 weeks to find out that a HL side has beaten a lowland area club 42 and now they are chucked into a a play off. 

The LL really needs to sort its relegation procedures out, and it is quite simple.  If an 'excess' club is relegated from the SPFL, run with 17 teams the next season, and relegate one extra.  This way everyone knows where they stand at the start of the season, no-one gets relegated based on the result of a play-off at the other end of the country, and the league can indulge in whatever convoluted play-off arrangements it likes.

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The current list of 59 clubs that propose to join the WoSFL:


1. Lugar Boswell Thistle (SJFA West League Two)

2. Clydebank (SJFA West Region Premiership)

3. Kilwinning Rangers (SJFA West Region Premiership)

4. Rutherglen Glencairn (SJFA West Region Premiership)

5. Bellshill Athletic (SJFA West League One)

6. Drumchapel United (Central Scottish Amateur Premier Division)

7. Neilston Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

8. Maryhill (SJFA West League One)

9. Kello Rovers (SJFA West League One)

10. Blantyre Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

11. Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (SJFA West Region Premiership)

12. Vale of Clyde (SJFA West League Two)

13. Renfrew (SJFA West Region Championship)

14. Royal Albert (SJFA West League One)

15. Arthurlie (SJFA West Region Championship)

16. Newmains United (SJFA West League Two)

17. Kilsyth Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship)

18. Whitletts Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

19. Gartcairn Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

20. Cambuslang Rangers  (SJFA West Region Championship)

21. Cumbernauld United (SJFA West Region Championship)

22. Glasgow Perthshire (SJFA West League One)

23. Ashfield (SJFA West League Two)

24. Petershill (SJFA West Region Championship)

25. Greenock Juniors (SJFA West League One)

26. Larkhall Thistle (SJFA West League One)

27. Port Glasgow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

28. Pollok (SJFA West Region Premiership)

29. Darvel Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

30. Vale of Leven (SJFA West League Two)

31. Glenafton Athletic (SJFA West Region Premiership)

32. Johnstone Burgh (SJFA West League Two)

33. Auchinleck Talbot (SJFA West Region Premiership)

34. Largs Thistle (SJFA West Region Premiership)

35. Kilbirnie Ladeside (SJFA West Region Premiership)

36. Troon (SJFA West Region Premiership)

37. Irvine Meadow XI (SJFA West Region Premiership)

38. Beith Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership) 

39. Shotts Bon Accord (SJFA West Region Championship)

40.  Forth Wanderers (SJFA West League Two)

41. Muirkirk Juniors (SJFA West League Two)

42. Benburb (SJFA West Region Premiership)  

43. Shettleston (SJFA West League One)

44. Irvine Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

45. Dalry Thistle (SJFA West Region Championship)

46. Cumnock Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership)

47. Girvan (SJFA West League One)

48. Wishaw Juniors (SJFA West League One)

49. Rossvale (SJFA West Region Premiership)

50. East Kilbride Thistle (SJFA West League One)

51. St Anthony's (SJFA West League Two)

52. St Roch's (SJFA West Region Championship)

53. Lanark United (SJFA West League One)

54. Hurlford United (SJFA West Region Premiership)

55. Craigmark Burntonians (SJFA West Region Championship)

56. Lesmahagow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

57. Carluke Rovers (SJFA West League One)

58. Glasgow University (Caledonian League Premier Division)

59. Bonnyton Thistle (South of Scotland League)


The following 7 WRJFA clubs have yet to make a public declaration to join the WoSFL:

SJFA West Region League One (1 club)
- Ardrossan Winton Rovers

SJFA West Region League Two (6 clubs)
- Annbank United
- Ardeer Thistle
- Maybole Juniors
- Saltcoats Victoria
- Thorniewood United
- Yoker Athletic


A constitution of 66 clubs divided into 4 conferences is predicted with anticipation.

 

THE DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS IS TODAY, TUESDAY 7TH APRIL - THE DOOR FIRMLY SHUTS TONIGHT!

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It seems fair to assume that all 63 Juniors have already applied so plus Bonnyton Thistle, Drumchapel United PYM and Glasgow University we're at 66 clubs.

 

59 Clubs which have Applied so far/have said that they will be applying:

(** means Subject to Verification)
Premiership (16) Championship (16) League One (15) League Two (9) Others (3)
Auchinleck Talbot Arthurlie Bellshill Athletic Ashfield Bonnyton Thistle  
Beith Juniors Blantyre Victoria Carluke Rovers Forth Wanderers Drumchapel Utd PYM
Benburb Cambuslang Rangers East Kilbride Thistle Johnstone Burgh Glasgow University
Clydebank Craigmark Burntonians Girvan Lugar Boswell Thistle **  
Cumnock Juniors Cumbernauld United Glasgow Perthshire Muirkirk Juniors  
Glenafton Athletic Dalry Thistle Greenock Juniors Newmains United  
Hurlford United ** Darvel Kello Rovers St Anthony's  
Irvine Meadow XI Gartcairn Juniors Lanark United Vale of Clyde  
Kilbirnie Ladeside Irvine Victoria Larkhall Thistle Vale of Leven  
Kilwinning Rangers Kilsyth Rangers Lesmahagow Juniors    
Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Neilston Juniors Maryhill    
Largs Thistle Petershill Port Glasgow Juniors    
Pollok Renfrew Royal Albert    
Rossvale Shotts Bon Accord Shettleston    
Rutherglen Glencairn St Roch's Wishaw Juniors    
Troon Whitletts Victoria      
         
(7) Not known to have applied so far:      
Premiership (0) Championship (0) League One (1) League Two (6) Others (0)
    Ardrossan Winton Rovers Annbank United  
      Ardeer Thistle  
      Maybole Juniors   
      Saltcoats Victoria  
      Thorniewood United  
      Yoker Athletic  

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Looking like 66 clubs in the WoS and 14 in the SoS (2 of which are reserve teams).

I prefer not to speak - if I speak, I am in big trouble!

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Any Junior moaner moaning about boys clubs hopefully picket Rossvale on a regular basis with 'down with this sort of thing' placards.

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING...Careful Now" " Poster by jomorley ...

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1 minute ago, Marshmallo said:

Looking like 66 clubs in the WoS and 14 in the SoS (2 of which are reserve teams).

I prefer not to speak - if I speak, I am in big trouble!

You point is .............. ? Hold on you’re waiting to knock the South .......... again , hahaha feel free no one will take an awful lot of notice but fill your boots 👍🏻

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Just now, AML67 said:

You point is .............. ? Hold on you’re waiting to knock the South .......... again , hahaha feel free no one will take an awful lot of notice but fill your boots 👍🏻

I don't want to be in big trouble.

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8 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

Any Junior moaner moaning about boys clubs hopefully picket Rossvale on a regular basis with 'down with this sort of thing' placards.

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING...Careful Now" " Poster by jomorley ...

It happens in Bundesliga with hoffenheim and RB Leipzig so why not wosfl 

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It's totally unsustainable for the SofS to remain at Tier 6. I would expect that to change in the next couple of years. How many in the SofS actually want to get promoted? 2-3 at most? 

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7 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

Any Junior moaner moaning about boys clubs hopefully picket Rossvale on a regular basis with 'down with this sort of thing' placards.

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING...Careful Now" " Poster by jomorley ...

Rossvale in the West Premiership, Gartcairn in the West Championship. They've certainly been giving the 'traditionalists' something to complain about over the years.

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7 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

I don't want to be in big trouble.

Honestly it’s not a problem ....... we’ve heard it all before and will again no doubt ! At least it gives folk something to talk about I suppose 

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Still not a whisper of news from the "remaining last seven".

In the meantime a helpful tweet from Vale of Clyde:

 

 

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4 minutes ago, edinabear said:

It's totally unsustainable for the SofS to remain at Tier 6. I would expect that to change in the next couple of years. How many in the SofS actually want to get promoted? 2-3 at most? 

Share your inside info with us ....... who are we talking about here ? I’ve said previously near 200 mile round trips aren’t too appealing for Clubs on limited budgets but hey as you say it may happen and one day soon once all the voting power shifts ! 

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Does everyone that has applied come up to the correct standard. Pitch size 90x 56 metres. Separate changing rooms with seating and clothes hanging facilities for 22 people. As per the Entry criteria set out by the EOSFL. That is to be mirrored across?

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Just now, Andy88 said:

Does everyone that has applied come up to the correct standard. Pitch size 90x 56 metres. Separate changing rooms with seating and clothes hanging facilities for 22 people. As per the Entry criteria set out by the EOSFL. That is to be mirrored across?

That’s Bonnyton out before they’ve started then 

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1 minute ago, AML67 said:

Share your inside info with us ....... who are we talking about here ? I’ve said previously near 200 mile round trips aren’t too appealing for Clubs on limited budgets but hey as you say it may happen and one day soon once all the voting power shifts ! 

You may be right, so why not have it as a regional league within the WoS structure with a pathway for those clubs who do have an apetite and the means to progress?

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5 minutes ago, Andy88 said:

Does everyone that has applied come up to the correct standard. Pitch size 90x 56 metres. Separate changing rooms with seating and clothes hanging facilities for 22 people. As per the Entry criteria set out by the EOSFL. That is to be mirrored across?

The very last critieria for entry to the EoSFL.

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31 minutes ago, BTID said:

Tradition/history can be a dangerous thing for a club. Just because you have a past, doesn’t mean you’ll have a great future.  In fact I’ll bet many fans and committees out there don’t have any growth strategy at all, merely clubs plodding into obscurity. 
 

If Bonnyton are doing great work in their community - good luck to them will serve them well for the future if they get it right.

I'd agree with that - while clubs should celebrate their history, they shouldn't get lost in it. My club was guilty of that a few years back when we plummeted down the leagues...in our first season in the Central Second after an opening day 1-5 horsing at the hands of Stonehouse Violet (RIP), a few of the older boys who were involved at the time were in complete denial: "That shouldn't be happening to us. We're too big a name for us to be where we are...."

I remember saying at the time to them that when all you've got left is your name, you're in big trouble. The fact was that at that point in time we were where we were because we weren't good enough to be anywhere else.

And you do still see that sometimes on here...if a team are in turmoil, as a sort of displacement behaviour some fans go to their happy place: "Aye, but we had a great team in the 70s...remember so-and-so.?" Which is missing the point...you might have had a great team in the 70s, but you've got a shite team in 2020, which is always going to be a more pressing problem.

 

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2 minutes ago, Andy88 said:

Does everyone that has applied come up to the correct standard. Pitch size 90x 56 metres. Separate changing rooms with seating and clothes hanging facilities for 22 people. As per the Entry criteria set out by the EOSFL. That is to be mirrored across?

As many regular posters here already know the EoS criteria are quite flexible so it's highly likely that applications from existing West Juniors won't be rejected. Similarly Bonnyton Thistle who are already in a Tier 6 league. Glasgow University is already licenced so no known ground issues. Drumchapel United PYM have active plans for a new ground and already play at a floodlit all-weather ground which may be(?) acceptable whilst their new set-up is built.

Expect the new league to be positive and to offer guidance to any clubs wishing to join whether now or in the future.

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