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Thursday 26th March 2020

Statement || West of Scotland Football League - Update

Statement || West of Scotland Football League - Update

Arthurlie Football Club has received and considered the latest correspondence from the Pyramid Working Group (PWG) in relation to the proposed West of Scotland Football League (WoSFL) entering at tier six in the Scottish football pyramid.

It should be noted that the club's original plan was to hold an Emergency General Meeting for season ticket holders to deliberate on the proposals, however this was unavoidably cancelled, given the current Covid-19 crisis around the nation.

To this end, the elected club committee, as custodians of the club, have discussed all options on the table and have agreed on the best way forward for Arthurlie FC.

Ahead of the 7th April deadline for applications (which has been extended from 31st March due to the current situation), the club will now formally apply to join the new WoSFL and also plan to retain membership of the Scottish Junior Football Association (SJFA) - which will see us continue to participate in the Scottish Junior Cup.

The committee see this as an exciting new venture in the club's history and we look forward to the new challenges that lie ahead, when football can resume.

In the meantime, everyone please do everything possible to protect yourself and others from Covid-19.
STAY HOME. STAY SAFE. SAVE LIVES.

Thank you!

Arthurlie FC Committee

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Great to read this has been resolved guys.

Will be interested to see how the Junior Cup fits in and hope common sense prevails in future to open it up to all non league and redescover it's prestige.
Not for me. End the south challenge cup and junior cup, place them in a cabinet in hampden and mark a new start with new trophies and cups. Keeping both adds too many potential fixtures in an already tight season.

Also keeping both continues to split opinions across the board. I for one dont see the junior cup prestige, but others do.

A fresh start should bring about just that, a fresh start. No more junior blazer mad cap ideas, a new league and a fresh start.

An all on non league cup would be a great start to a new joint venture between traditional junior clubs, the eos, sos and LL pyramid clubs.

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1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

How come Vale of Clyde and Renfrew get it when so many others don't?

I think every team will get it between now and 7th April. 

The bigger question is how many will retain their SJFA membership? Arthurlie and Kilwinning are amongst those to nail their flags to the mast, Renfrew and Vale of Clyde aren't saying/are undecided while Irvine Meadow are the most interesting as they have put it to the vote. 

The result of that will be most informative. 

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2 hours ago, glensmad said:

Vale of Clyde next.
 

Is that 15 confirmed now ?

 

Edited by Doonhamer1969

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7 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

Anyone got a list of confirmed teams applied to WOSFL?

I think its 15 now, from what has been posted here.

 

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30 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

Not for me. End the south challenge cup and junior cup, place them in a cabinet in hampden and mark a new start with new trophies and cups. Keeping both adds too many potential fixtures in an already tight season.

Also keeping both continues to split opinions across the board. I for one dont see the junior cup prestige, but others do.

A fresh start should bring about just that, a fresh start. No more junior blazer mad cap ideas, a new league and a fresh start.

An all on non league cup would be a great start to a new joint venture between traditional junior clubs, the eos, sos and LL pyramid clubs.
 

This is the painful part because they're so inept. The creation of a National cup competition for those clubs in regional leagues should fall to the SFA. Not the SJFA or the leagues.

It should be fairly easily done. The did run the Qualifying Cups for all those years. The SFA members should put forward a motion to create one. Have it become tied to membership. If you're a SFA member outwith a national league (aka the SPFL) you have to compete with open invitations to those clubs in affiliated leagues. That forces the Highland League to take part and allows for NCL clubs to opt out.

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30 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

Is that 15 confirmed now ?

 

ARTHURLIE
BELLSHILL ATHLETIC
BLANTYRE VICTORIA
CLYDEBANK 2003
DRUMCHAPEL UNITED
KELLO ROVERS
KILWINNING RANGERS
KIRKINTILLOCH ROB ROY
MARYHILL
RENFREW
RUTHERGLEN GLENCAIRN

VALE OF CLYDE

 

This is 12, are there more?

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Out of interest as a non Junior fan who takes an interest in the forming of a pyramid and which clubs will step up and improve our leagues. I’ve seen many say SJC or a new non league Cup should have its final at Hampden, is this generally the preferred option for the Cup? I understand crowds are below 10k these days (still a very good crowd) and Hampden can be a morgue when it’s not full. Is it just to recognise the prestige of your cup by using the national stadium or do you think crowds will improve again? I’d like to see an all in non league cup be given a good sponsor and TV package backed and promoted by the SFA. Certainly if Hampden is the preferred option it should be made available to the finalists. Once we get a full pyramid I’d like to see the SFA and SPFL help boost the coverage of tier 5 down across their leagues and cups.

 

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38 minutes ago, patriot1 said:

I think every team will get it between now and 7th April. 

The bigger question is how many will retain their SJFA membership?

A good number, smaller clubs especially, will probably be looking to try it out for a season. An early exit from cups wont impact them on games but could still get a few tasty home ties to make it worth their while. Seems a wise strategy to give it a bash first?

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2 minutes ago, honestman54 said:
ARTHURLIE
BELLSHILL ATHLETIC
BLANTYRE VICTORIA
CLYDEBANK 2003
DRUMCHAPEL UNITED
KELLO ROVERS
KILWINNING RANGERS
KIRKINTILLOCH ROB ROY
MARYHILL
RENFREW
RUTHERGLEN GLENCAIRN

VALE OF CLYDE

 

This is 12, are there more?

Neilston 

Newmains United 

 

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14 by my count:

Clydebank (W Prem)
Kilwinning Rangers (W Prem)
Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (W Prem)
Rutherglen Glencairn (W Prem)
Arthurlie (W Cham)
Blantyre Victoria (W Cham)
Neilston (W Cham)
Renfrew (W Cham)
Bellshill Athletic (W Lge1)
Kello Rovers (W Lge1)
Maryhill (W Lge1)
Royal Albert (W Lge1)
Vale of Clyde (W Lge2)
Drumchapel United (Amat)

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1 minute ago, archieb said:

14 by my count:

Clydebank (W Prem)
Kilwinning Rangers (W Prem)
Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (W Prem)
Rutherglen Glencairn (W Prem)
Arthurlie (W Cham)
Blantyre Victoria (W Cham)
Neilston (W Cham)
Renfrew (W Cham)
Bellshill Athletic (W Lge1)
Kello Rovers (W Lge1)
Maryhill (W Lge1)
Royal Albert (W Lge1)
Vale of Clyde (W Lge2)
Drumchapel United (Amat)

15 including arthurlie

 

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7 minutes ago, honestman54 said:
ARTHURLIE
BELLSHILL ATHLETIC
BLANTYRE VICTORIA
CLYDEBANK 2003
DRUMCHAPEL UNITED
KELLO ROVERS
KILWINNING RANGERS
KIRKINTILLOCH ROB ROY
MARYHILL
RENFREW
RUTHERGLEN GLENCAIRN

VALE OF CLYDE

 

This is 12, are there more?

Just Clydebank FC thanks

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5 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

Out of interest as a non Junior fan who takes an interest in the forming of a pyramid and which clubs will step up and improve our leagues. I’ve seen many say SJC or a new non league Cup should have its final at Hampden, is this generally the preferred option for the Cup? I understand crowds are below 10k these days (still a very good crowd) and Hampden can be a morgue when it’s not full. Is it just to recognise the prestige of your cup by using the national stadium or do you think crowds will improve again? I’d like to see an all in non league cup be given a good sponsor and TV package backed and promoted by the SFA. Certainly if Hampden is the preferred option it should be made available to the finalists. Once we get a full pyramid I’d like to see the SFA and SPFL help boost the coverage of tier 5 down across their leagues and cups.

 

Hampden for the prestige of it. The idea that the SFA would foot the bill for rental and stewarding keeping the costs down now that they own it. Central location where people are used to going, major city location to help with press for promotion sponsorship wise. Plus getting BBC Scotland to film it by keeping their transport costs down.

Seen the suggestion of tying it together with the Amateur Cup final to make it a big non-league day to bump up the attendance.

You've also got those of Junior Cup final being played at Hampden and Ibrox in front of strong crowds by non-league standards but no filling the place.

It just adds to the grand day out atmosphere people try to cling to when it comes to cup final day.

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19 minutes ago, honestman54 said:

15 including arthurlie

 

Arthurlie is on my list. It's Newmains I didn't have.

I don't see a formal announcement that they've applied on Twitter or Facebook or anywhere else though, the Record article and their website quote the manager. The website piece is also rather unclear:

"The game’s ruling body last month confirmed the top junior division in the east and west division will become part of an expanded tier six below the Lowland League."

https://newmainsunitedfc.com/statement-pyramid-leaves-scottish-football-in-great-shape/

 

Edited by archieb

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12 minutes ago, archieb said:

Arthurlie is on my list. It's Newmains I didn't have.

I don't see a formal announcement that they've applied on Twitter or Facebook or anywhere else though, the Record article and their website quote the manager. The website piece is also rather unclear:

"The game’s ruling body last month confirmed the top junior division in the east and west division will become part of an expanded tier six below the Lowland League."

https://newmainsunitedfc.com/statement-pyramid-leaves-scottish-football-in-great-shape/

 

Factually inaccurate I'd call that!

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Hampden for the prestige of it. The idea that the SFA would foot the bill for rental and stewarding keeping the costs down now that they own it. Central location where people are used to going, major city location to help with press for promotion sponsorship wise. Plus getting BBC Scotland to film it by keeping their transport costs down.
Seen the suggestion of tying it together with the Amateur Cup final to make it a big non-league day to bump up the attendance.
You've also got those of Junior Cup final being played at Hampden and Ibrox in front of strong crowds by non-league standards but no filling the place.
It just adds to the grand day out atmosphere people try to cling to when it comes to cup final day.


Fair enough, I like the idea of combining it with the SAFA cup final as a bumper day and to get a bigger crowd, if the SFA help keep costs down sensible ticket pricing and advertising could see a good crowd.

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This is the painful part because they're so inept. The creation of a National cup competition for those clubs in regional leagues should fall to the SFA. Not the SJFA or the leagues.
It should be fairly easily done. The did run the Qualifying Cups for all those years. The SFA members should put forward a motion to create one. Have it become tied to membership. If you're a SFA member outwith a national league (aka the SPFL) you have to compete with open invitations to those clubs in affiliated leagues. That forces the Highland League to take part and allows for NCL clubs to opt out.
I just think that the creation of a new competition, primarily for lowland area clubs, can do away with so much of the artificial divide we see daily on here (myself included).

This is a chance for a fresh new start for everyone. To leave behind old cups and for both sides to commit to one another without tentatively reminiscing about past glories.

Dont wait for the sfa, all those involved could make one really big cup competition for the lowland area. An all in cup, where all teams are entered, regardless of their association membership.

Forward facing, future oriented, no strings attached, winner takes all.

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