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I’m curious where this notion of cherry picking has come from? Perhaps Arthurlie would be better served if someone from their committee contacted George Fraser direction  rather than relying on the word of Gordon Ronney. 
We were told at the Thursday night meeting that there would be no cherry picking, maybe the Arthurlie delegate just had a typo with a word missing

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Correct, the £500 fee is the bond which will be fully repaid, and it includes the first season's league fees.
So basically there will be no league fees for season 1 as you will get the full £500 back as long as you fulfill all of your fixtures for three seasons.

Not the way I heard although I could’ve picked it up wrong, the breakdown was £300 bond paid pack year one 50% the 25% year two and three
The other £200 was league fees
As I said that’s how I heard it it may be wrong

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Teams that may not get in - there will be no cherry-picking by the LL-run WoSFA. This has been debunked several times already. This is nothing but scaremongering and outright lying by the WRJFA to serve it's own interests.
 
£500 upfront fee - this is the first I've heard of this. Some evidence would be nice.
£500 start up fee, 50% returned after year 1, 25% after year 2 and the other 25% after year 3. It was brought up by the top table at the Thursday night meeting

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23 minutes ago, sctv said:


Not the way I heard although I could’ve picked it up wrong, the breakdown was £300 bond paid pack year one 50% the 25% year two and three
The other £200 was league fees
As I said that’s how I heard it it may be wrong

I think you did hear it wrong. There was no mention of £200 for league fees that I can recall. The full £500 bond was to be repaid over the 3 years (50% + 25% + 25%), and as a gesture the league fees for season 1 would be included in the initial £500 payment, with the new board deciding on the fees for year 2 after consultation with the member clubs.

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27 minutes ago, Peasyman said:
17 hours ago, Jerry Macguire said:
I’m curious where this notion of cherry picking has come from? Perhaps Arthurlie would be better served if someone from their committee contacted George Fraser direction  rather than relying on the word of Gordon Ronney. 

We were told at the Thursday night meeting that there would be no cherry picking, maybe the Arthurlie delegate just had a typo with a word missing

If only. Sadly the whole statement is full of holes and that suggests to me it's been written that way on purpose. 

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Don’t see what this campaign of misinformation achieves at this stage, the LL and EOS can read everything that’s being said on social media. The WRJFA are about to enter talks with the LL and EOS to become the WOSFL. If the LL and EOS believe they’ve been deliberately spreading misinformation about their offer to clubs to undermine them then it’s hardly going to help convince them that you’re an organisation they wish to work with going forward. It’s more likely the LL and EOS will now want you no where near their WOSFL. The WRJFA could find this backfires and forces the partial PWG to collapse again.

 

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24 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

Don’t see what this campaign of misinformation achieves at this stage, the LL and EOS can read everything that’s being said on social media. The WRJFA are about to enter talks with the LL and EOS to become the WOSFL. If the LL and EOS believe they’ve been deliberately spreading misinformation about their offer to clubs to undermine them then it’s hardly going to help convince them that you’re an organisation they wish to work with going forward. It’s more likely the LL and EOS will now want you no where near their WOSFL. The WRJFA could find this backfires and forces the partial PWG to collapse again.

 

Perhaps it's an attempt to prevent clubs from declaring for the WOSFL on their own.

The longer they show a united front the more negotiating power they should have. At least that's the perception they might have.

If their ultimate goal is to keep the Junior Cup going and therefore Junior football alive it's going to help to have as many on the WJFA side as possible.

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13 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Perhaps it's an attempt to prevent clubs from declaring for the WOSFL on their own.

The longer they show a united front the more negotiating power they should have. At least that's the perception they might have.

If their ultimate goal is to keep the Junior Cup going and therefore Junior football alive it's going to help to have as many on the WJFA side as possible.

That only works if the WOSFL doesn't have enough viable members, what's the likely hood of that at this stage?

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Arthurlie only make themselves look daft with that statement, considering the weight of evidence to contradict it. As a Lok fan, I want our closest rivals to be in the same set-up. They don't seem to have 'got' it, or have been 'Ronneyed'.

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1 hour ago, Lowland team said:

For every player going through the points limit.is it paid monthly or at the end of the season.

Fines are due, at the most, monthly. That includes point accumulation fines, straight red fines and cautions in cup games. 

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3 hours ago, Lowland team said:

Even at that you would loose money if you have a bus or expenses for car travel.did they not think about regional ties.before a all in approach.it could cost more than you could make if you got knocked out at the 1st round.

Used to be like that. The Scottish Junior Cup used to be regional in the earlier rounds. I think maybe the first three rounds were regional. 

The clubs must've voted to change it. I know we didn't get a non-West team in the earlier rounds until we got Tranent in the first round in 1964.

 

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45 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

That only works if the WOSFL doesn't have enough viable members, what's the likely hood of that at this stage?

The WOSFL will be going ahead. The only way all the clubs will all stick together is by joining that. This does still seem to be the WR plan though it does worry me they initially planned a meeting the day after the PWG meeting and a week before application deadline.

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with regard to fines ,  the player gets fined. some clubs pay the fines some take it of the player. hence my earlier query about amateurs.

the membership fee for the sjfa is  £35.00 the region around £80.00 also I think the west meeting was to reveal the p w g outcome

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, marconi said:

with regard to fines ,  the player gets fined. some clubs pay the fines some take it of the player. hence my earlier query about amateurs.

If the club pays the fine for the player, then that is a taxable benefit. I trust that is all being declared ...

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To make quote clear

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20 minutes ago, marconi said:

with regard to fines ,  the player gets fined. some clubs pay the fines some take it of the player. hence my earlier query about amateurs.

the membership fee for the sjfa is  £35.00 the region around £80.00 also I think the west meeting was to reveal the p w g outcome

They (WR) said it was in the clubs interest to go to this meeting - WHY?

Couldn't the outcome be revealed by email or a joint statement on LL, EoSL. WR websites?

That meeting was in case there wasn't a compromise.

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Fines are due within 7days

Fines are due, at the most, monthly. That includes point accumulation fines, straight red fines and cautions in cup games. 

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45 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

The WOSFL will be going ahead. The only way all the clubs will all stick together is by joining that. This does still seem to be the WR plan though it does worry me they initially planned a meeting the day after the PWG meeting and a week before application deadline.

It just a sign of desperation by the SJFA (alias WRJFA)! Wouldn't bet against more similar antics ahead.

Clubs and the Lowland League just need to continue to stand firm.

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3 minutes ago, Dev said:

It just a sign of desperation by the SJFA (alias WRJFA)! Wouldn't bet against more similar antics ahead.

Clubs and the Lowland League just need to continue to stand firm.

I was optimistic of a compromise outcome until they announced they wanted this meeting.

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