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Junior football, what is the future?

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4 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

The annual fee is minimal (about £50, I can't be bothered looking it up). However, that is kept artificially low by charging fines, reinstatements, permits, etc.

It should be emphasised that the £500 is not an annual fee for membership of the WoSFL. It is a bond to be paid in advance at the very start only, and it would be fully refunded after 3 years. (50% after year 1, 25% after year 2, the balance 25% after year 3.) The fees for membership of the league in season 1 would be included in the initial £500 fee, and the fees for membership from season 2 onwards would be decided by the member clubs themselves.

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2 hours ago, glensmad said:

Alex,

Each team has to make their own decision on this, and we have made our position clear with our statement yesterday. If the PWG discussions succeed then happy days, everybody moves together. But if they don't, then we need to be in a position to be ready to do what is right for our club.

And that, I'd imagine, would be the case for the majority of West Region clubs. 

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Needing to check this.iv'e just been informed that in the Scottish junior cup

Clubs need to pay their opponents a fee if they travel to games to cover the cost and then split the game money. Surely that would mean both clubs could be out of pocket.

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The insurances provided by the eos cover far more than the insurance given by the sjfa. The league fees are minimal. The bond will be given back in stages, it isnt a charge or levy.

 

Scaremongering at it's best.

 

Again. Saddens me to say but the wrsjfa approach is getting clearer and clearer by the day, post by post.

 

 

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As the West Region General Meeting originally planned for Tuesday 24 March has been cancelled due to the current coronavirus situation arrangements have been made for all Member Clubs to receive feedback from Monday's PWG Meeting later this year n Tuesday.

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32 minutes ago, Lowland team said:

Needing to check this.iv'e just been informed that in the Scottish junior cup

Clubs need to pay their opponents a fee if they travel to games to cover the cost and then split the game money. Surely that would mean both clubs could be out of pocket.

There is a minimum guarantee you pay the visiting team based on a mileage scale. 

They get the guarantee if their share of the split gate (after ref costs) is less than the guarantee. One or the other. 

 

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20 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Think of all the club's that will go bust. Clyde can have their pick if grounds to relocate to.

They will rotate between Rutherglen, Shettelston and EK. 

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Teams that may not get in - there will be no cherry-picking by the LL-run WoSFA. This has been debunked several times already. This is nothing but scaremongering and outright lying by the WRJFA to serve it's own interests.
 
£500 upfront fee - this is the first I've heard of this. Some evidence would be nice.

It includes a bond to be paid back over three years in sure

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52 minutes ago, Lowland team said:

Do clubs loose money over all.either one or both.

Depends on the mix of distance and attendance. If we drew say Lochgelly Albert in the cup, being 66 miles away we'd get a guarantee of £120.  So Lochgelly can only make any money after taking in £120 (for us) and £50 (for the ref).  So if the gate was £200 in total, Lochgelly make £30.  If the gate was £160, Lochgelly lose a tenner.

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10 minutes ago, sctv said:


It includes a bond to be paid back over three years in sure

Correct, the £500 fee is the bond which will be fully repaid, and it includes the first season's league fees.

So basically there will be no league fees for season 1 as you will get the full £500 back as long as you fulfill all of your fixtures for three seasons.

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9 minutes ago, Brig O'Lea said:

Depends on the mix of distance and attendance. If we drew say Lochgelly Albert in the cup, being 66 miles away we'd get a guarantee of £120.  So Lochgelly can only make any money after taking in £120 (for us) and £50 (for the ref).  So if the gate was £200 in total, Lochgelly make £30.  If the gate was £160, Lochgelly lose a tenner.

Even at that you would loose money if you have a bus or expenses for car travel.did they not think about regional ties.before a all in approach.it could cost more than you could make if you got knocked out at the 1st round.

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I would guess most clubs will be about £200-300 per season in fines which you don't get back in 50% 25% 25% instalments. Non issue as is cherry picking and ground criteria.

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40 minutes ago, Lowland team said:

Even at that you would loose money if you have a bus or expenses for car travel.did they not think about regional ties.before a all in approach.it could cost more than you could make if you got knocked out at the 1st round.

It's probably part of the reason you hear about the odd club sitting out.

Say two small clubs are drawn against each other from the North & West. Good chance it would end in a loss financially for both. It has been raised as a point by some of those that joined the EoS as to why they don't have the same high regard for the Junior Cup.

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1 hour ago, Chis said:

As the West Region General Meeting originally planned for Tuesday 24 March has been cancelled due to the current coronavirus situation arrangements have been made for all Member Clubs to receive feedback from Monday's PWG Meeting later this year n Tuesday.

Considering the way the last "minutes" of a pwg meeting were the SJFAs very one sided version of events. It will be interesting to see what the WJFA say.

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If the PWG talks go well I would expect a joint statement to be made.

If they don't go well, I would expect both sides to give their side of the story, and clubs would then need to make a decision.

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3 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It's probably part of the reason you hear about the odd club sitting out.

Say two small clubs are drawn against each other from the North & West. Good chance it would end in a loss financially for both. It has been raised as a point by some of those that joined the EoS as to why they don't have the same high regard for the Junior Cup.

It was never a competition where any club expected to make money unless you drew one of the big guns at home.

iI always regarded it as a day oot for the boys and the chance to see a ground you’ve never been at before and the further away the better.

If you broke even on expenses then it was a bonus although things might have changed on the financial front from my days

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