glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Who didn't?The ones who voiced that opinion clearly at the WRSJFA extra General Meeting. If they had all wanted to be in the pyramid, you wouldn't have had at least a quarter of the clubs not expressing an interest in the LL-WoSFL plan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The WRSJFA also got exactly what it wanted, ALL clubs in together.If they all apply. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, glensmad said: Fair enough, but the point remains that allowing the teams to retain SJFA membership without playing in one of their regional leagues is a concession made by the SJFA. The LL/EoSFL/SoSFL alliance got exactly what they wanted. They will not bat an eyelid whether teams choose to play in the Scottish Junior Cup or not. This was not a compromise. As you say, the LL etc. "will not bat an eyelid". So surely it was a concession made, not to the LL, but to their own members? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The latest on who has stated that they've applied or are going to apply and a list of the remainder of the West Juniors: Premiership: Clydebank, Kilwinning Rangers, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy, Rutherglen Glencairn, Championship: Blantyre Victoria and Neilston Juniors, League One: Bellshill Athletic and Kello Rovers. Central Scottish Amateur League: Drumchapel United PYM who will be known as Drumchapel United. Clubs which have Applied so far/have said that they will be applying: Premiership (4) Championship (2) League One (2) League Two (0) Others (1) Clydebank Blantyre Victoria Bellshill Athletic Drumchapel Utd PYM Kilwinning Rangers Neilston Juniors Kello Rovers Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Rutherglen Glencairn Not known to have applied so far: Auchinleck Talbot Arthurlie Ardrossan Winton Rovers Annbank United Beith Juniors Cambuslang Rangers Carluke Rovers Ardeer Thistle Benburb Craigmark Burntonians East Kilbride Thistle Ashfield Cumnock Juniors Cumbernauld United Girvan Forth Wanderers Glenafton Athletic Dalry Thistle Glasgow Perthshire Johnstone Burgh Hurlford United Darvel Greenock Juniors Lugar Boswell Thistle Irvine Meadow XI Gartcairn Juniors Lanark United Maybole Juniors Kilbirnie Ladeside Irvine Victoria Larkhall Thistle Muirkirk Juniors Largs Thistle Kilsyth Rangers Lesmahagow Juniors Newmains United Pollok Petershill Maryhill Saltcoats Victoria Rossvale Renfrew Port Glasgow Juniors St Anthony's Troon Shotts Bon Accord Royal Albert Thorniewood United St Roch's Shettleston Vale of Clyde Whitletts Victoria Wishaw Juniors Vale of Leven Yoker Athletic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: Happy for you to believe that spin if it suits you. The WRSJFA also got exactly what it wanted, ALL clubs in together. SJFA membership for those that want it and entry to the Scottish Junior Cup again for those that want to participate in it. The fact that they are advocating that their own positions disappear shows how much it means to them. I think you are spinning the outcome to suit a narrative that the WRJFA got "exactly" what they wanted. The WRJFA set out with a mission to continue to operate their current leagues as the WOSL within the pyramid. The WRJFA will not be running the league, although WR club officials may well be elected to executive positions within the new league set up over time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 As you say, the LL etc. "will not bat an eyelid". So surely it was a concession made, not to the LL, but to their own members?Yes, but a concession by the SJFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 If the WRSJFA got exactly what they wanted, why didn't they just ask for that in the first place ? They could have gone to the LL and asked, "if all our clubs apply, could they retain SJFA membership and play in the Scottish Junior Cup ?" The answer they would have got would have been the one they now have, i.e. "we have no problem with that, it's an issue for the SJFA to sort out."Instead we had an "extra General Meeting" where there were suggestions from the top table that the clubs shun the LL-WoSFL information meeting and instead gather on the steps of Hampden in a show of strength and support for the juniors, with media friends being called to publicise it. There were veiled threats of legal action, there were "declarations" requested to be signed and so on and so on.Why didn't they just ask for what they've got now, and save us all the bother of the past two or three weeks ? 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig O'Lea Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 George Fraser made it clear at the meeting in East Kilbride on the 12th March that the LL/EoSFL/SoSFL had absolutely no issue with WoSFL members holding dual memberships with other associations. If there was a barrier to that then that 's for other associations to deal with. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: Happy for you to believe that spin if it suits you. The WRSJFA also got exactly what it wanted, ALL clubs in together. SJFA membership for those that want it and entry to the Scottish Junior Cup again for those that want to participate in it. The fact that they are advocating that their own positions disappear shows how much it means to them. Only if all clubs apply, which the WRJFA didn't see the need for. They didn't want conferences either. Removing the SJFA from the administration of discipline was another argument they lost. Keeping the cup may turn out to be a pyrrhic victory. It might depend on which clubs retain SJFA membership, and I doubt every club will. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The ones who voiced that opinion clearly at the WRSJFA extra General Meeting. If they had all wanted to be in the pyramid, you wouldn't have had at least a quarter of the clubs not expressing an interest in the LL-WoSFL plan.Not putting forward an expression of interest surely only meant that they preferred the other option that was being discussed at that time. Not that they weren't interested in the Pyramid. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I would imagine majority will stick with it initially but for the bigger clubs, a cup that has lost some of its attraction anyway might just be fixture congestion as time goes on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Blantyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Not putting forward an expression of interest surely only meant that they preferred the other option that was being discussed at that time. Not that they weren't interested in the Pyramid. Aye. Ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Only if all clubs apply, which the WRJFA didn't see the need for. They didn't want conferences either. Removing the SJFA from the administration of discipline was another argument they lost. Keeping the cup may turn out to be a pyrrhic victory. It might depend on which clubs retain SJFA membership, and I doubt every club will.It's already been stated that not all clubs will retain their membership of the SJFA. Kilwinning have already said that they are out. That's their choice. The Scottish Junior Cup may become an irrelevance or it may be a way forward. That remains to be seen. At the moment all that can be done is to give it a shot. The new league will be formed which is exactly what everyone supposedly wanted. There's been give and take from both sides. Why are we still fighting? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, glensmad said: If the WRSJFA got exactly what they wanted, why didn't they just ask for that in the first place ? They could have gone to the LL and asked, "if all our clubs apply, could they retain SJFA membership and play in the Scottish Junior Cup ?" The answer they would have got would have been the one they now have, i.e. "we have no problem with that, it's an issue for the SJFA to sort out." Instead we had an "extra General Meeting" where there were suggestions from the top table that the clubs shun the LL-WoSFL information meeting and instead gather on the steps of Hampden in a show of strength and support for the juniors, with media friends being called to publicise it. There were veiled threats of legal action, there were "declarations" requested to be signed and so on and so on. Why didn't they just ask for what they've got now, and save us all the bother of the past two or three weeks ? I would have loved that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: I would imagine majority will stick with it initially but for the bigger clubs, a cup that has lost some of its attraction anyway might just be fixture congestion as time goes on. Again forgive my ignorance but will the likes of Bo'ness United, Linlithgow Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose be in it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: It's already been stated that not all clubs will retain their membership of the SJFA. Kilwinning have already said that they are out. That's their choice. The Scottish Junior Cup may become an irrelevance or it may be a way forward. That remains to be seen. At the moment all that can be done is to give it a shot. The new league will be formed which is exactly what everyone supposedly wanted. There's been give and take from both sides. Why are we still fighting? Agree with that last sentence. Time to move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lowland team Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Definitely time to move on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 There's been give and take from both sides.I'm not sure there was, to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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