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Junior football, what is the future?

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1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement.

Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA?

Also makes you wonder if the clubs applying to the EoSFL from the East Region might try and retain SJFA membership. They can say the West are doing it, why can't they.

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Further clarifications:
- Any concern that this is a “ruse” can be dispelled. There is genuine will on all sides to get this done.
- We are talking purely about the WRSJFA. The North and East are not part of this scenario.

Yeh, thats not reassuring in the slightest tbh.

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7 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

I'm assuming the clubs that have officials on the Management Committee were there too representing their clubs.

Did they give off the same positive vibe?

(Maybe it is different club delegates to those on the Management Committee).

The whole room was positive - surprisingly so. Tweeted about it earlier to agreement from Junior and Senior figures!

@Inanimate Carbon Rod I don’t think anything I can say will change your mind in that case. Proof will be in the pudding as they say...

Edited by Born To Run

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3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement.

Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA?

As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that.

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One interesting point is with the Junior Cup being relegated to a county cup of sorts then surely the Scottish Cup place it offers currently has to come into question.

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1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement.

Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA?

I'd be amazed if clubs like Bo'ness United (could be difficult because of the Mini Me tribute act), Lithgae Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose didn't jump at the chance of getting into the Junior Cup again, if it was a cup competition only involvement and the senior grade would fully control the fixture list. Being able to integrate the junior cup into the senior nonleague (yes we know you don't like that terminology, Glensmad) pyramid would be a victory for common sense. Will believe it when I see it though as I find it hard to believe there won't be more Mosspark Bowling Club sort of stuff before this twenty year plus journey reaches its final destination.  

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9 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that.

This is where compromise muddys the waters,  I don't understand why the LL just didn't stick to their intended path and invite applications to the new WoSFL without agreeing to take on baggage. They had no need.

Chances are now, if there is SJFA involvement, we'll have some LL feeder clubs playing in a Junior Cup, and some in the South Cup. We'll have some WoSFL clubs claiming they're still Junior clubs yadayada.

Edited by Burnie_man

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1 hour ago, Stag Nation said:

Presumably the SJFA will soldier on with those left, plus the remnants of the East and North. At some stage there will be too few to continue, and the last few will vote to wind it up and enjoy a share of the £500k* reserves!

 

* minus legal fees.

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11 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that.

The line the SJFA said around still having fines was it was needed to generate revenue to cover the cost of discipline.

If this only applies to the West Region. Can they continue to afford to run discipline in the East and North for those leagues still outside the SFA pyramid.

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I'd be amazed if clubs like Bo'ness United (could be difficult because of the Mini Me tribute act), Lithgae Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose didn't jump at the chance of getting into the Junior Cup again, if it was a cup competition only involvement and the senior grade would fully control the fixture list. Being able to integrate the junior cup into the senior nonleague (yes we know you don't like that terminology, Glensmad) pyramid would be a victory for common sense. Will believe it when I see it though as I find it hard to believe there won't be more Mosspark Bowling Club sort of stuff before this twenty year plus journey reaches its final destination.  
We play enough games as it is, can't see much appetite for another cup to be honest.

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

...Chances are now, if there is SJFA involvement, we'll have some LL feeder clubs playing in a Junior Cup, and some in the South Cup....

...or maybe everybody just winds up in the Junior Cup and it's all one big happy family with the LL/EoS/SoS fixture man also controlling what happens with the Junior Cup. The Borg resistance is futile you will be assimilated scenario.

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Can someone clarify - there were two meetings - the PWG in afternoon and WoSL (LL) in the evening.
Two meetings took place

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For the avoidance of doubt, any league in the pyramid will follow the SFA disciplinary rules on and off the field. There will be no fines, permits etc.

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Here come the red dot nutters again. If you deviate slightly from the Sendero Luminoso of ending any trace of the junior grade once and for all you must be bludgeoned into submission and silenced. Good to hear cooler heards are coming to the fore and fingers crossed things go well on the 23rd. That would still leave time for Whitburn and co to see sense in the east and get applications in for the EoS.

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Just now, Born To Run said:

For the avoidance of doubt, any league in the pyramid will follow the SFA disciplinary rules on and off the field. There will be no fines, permits etc.

Yes, but if this only relates to the West Region. The SJFA still have the North and East Region to administer. Fines and permits is how it funds itself to administer discipline currently. They lose half that income with the loss of the West. Can the SJFA still fulfill that function for their other regions going forward?

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2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Here come the red dot nutters again. If you deviate slightly from the Sendero Luminoso of ending any trace of the junior grade once and for all you must be bludgeoned into submission and silenced. Good to hear cooler heards are coming to the fore and fingers crossed things go well on the 23rd. That would still leave time for Whitburn and co to see sense in the east and get applications in for the EoS.

Its one red dot nutter not nutters, thank you very much.:ass

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3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


This is why this ‘compromise’ is a fucking mess. Just apply for the wosl, get the wrjfa in the bin if you want to stay fine and get on with it. This is nothing but a stalling tactic for the dafties to preserve their wee empire.

This is a delay which could make it impossible for a WoS administered by the Lowland League to be up and running in time for 2020/21. Beware!

The current corona virus will not help either.

Edited by Dev
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2 hours ago, Stag Nation said:

If I understand the SJFA constitution, when any or all of the West junior clubs join a new non-Junior league, they will either have to resign from the Juniors or be expelled. 

Presumably the SJFA will soldier on with those left, plus the remnants of the East and North. At some stage there will be too few to continue, and the last few will vote to wind it up and enjoy a share of the £500k reserves!

 

…. so it may be sound financial sense for clubs to wind up the SJFA before they resign!

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2 hours ago, stulch said:
2 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said:
Hope these positive vibes aren't yet another junior ruse to stall for time until it's too late to change anything for next season.
 

Certainly a concern at the back of my mind. Hopefully completely unfounded.

The Lowland League/EoS/SoS need to watch out for this and set a hard and fast dead-line for the Juniors Association(s) to conclude matters.

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