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Junior football, what is the future?


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1 minute ago, theesel1994 said:

They would have to pay their league fees and insurance anyway. From what I understand, this £500 includes insurance - maybe someone that was at LL meeting can confirm?

Good point. I'm also wondering now how much it costs to be members of the WRJFA. 

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The whole bond/league fees just leaves me with more questions over this all in approach by the WJFA. 

Does the WJFA have its own finances to cover the start up costs? Is that pot of money going to become WOSFLs finances from then on? Are the WJFA saying they'll cover the costs for their existing members but everyone else has to pay? Or do junior clubs think they don't have to pay anything to join with the all in approach?

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2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The whole bond/league fees just leaves me with more questions over this all in approach by the WJFA. 

Does the WJFA have its own finances to cover the start up costs? Is that pot of money going to become WOSFLs finances from then on? Are the WJFA saying they'll cover the costs for their existing members but everyone else has to pay? Or do junior clubs think they don't have to pay anything to join with the all in approach?

Even with the "all-in" approach if the WRSJFA are successful in "doing a deal", then the WoSFL (or leagues as it would be) would still be administered by the one body, i.e. the West of Scotland Football League. They would not be administered by the WRSJFA. That was made clear last Thursday nigh as well. So yes, the £500 bond would still apply.

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Look!!! a board will be elected by the MEMBER CLUBS.the current wrjfa.will cease to operate. the SJFA will be there to administer the Scottish junior cup Only i think you will have to pay them if you take part in it.but all decisions for the new league will be determined by the new board which you the clubs elect.

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27 minutes ago, glensmad said:

Even with the "all-in" approach if the WRSJFA are successful in "doing a deal", then the WoSFL (or leagues as it would be) would still be administered by the one body, i.e. the West of Scotland Football League. They would not be administered by the WRSJFA. That was made clear last Thursday nigh as well. So yes, the £500 bond would still apply.

So going by sctv and Arthurlie's statement you've got things like cherrypicking, ground criteria, paying this bond going If you go it alone as issues in some junior circles.

Even though these are the type of questions asked & answered in the LL-WOSFL meeting. Which I believe was also going to have a written follow up to be used as a resource for clubs making their decision.

Seems like some are just largely listening to one side.

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38 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Good point. I'm also wondering now how much it costs to be members of the WRJFA. 

The annual fee is minimal (about £50, I can't be bothered looking it up). However, that is kept artificially low by charging fines, reinstatements, permits, etc.

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4 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

The annual fee is minimal (about £50, I can't be bothered looking it up). However, that is kept artificially low by charging fines, reinstatements, permits, etc.

It should be emphasised that the £500 is not an annual fee for membership of the WoSFL. It is a bond to be paid in advance at the very start only, and it would be fully refunded after 3 years. (50% after year 1, 25% after year 2, the balance 25% after year 3.) The fees for membership of the league in season 1 would be included in the initial £500 fee, and the fees for membership from season 2 onwards would be decided by the member clubs themselves.

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2 hours ago, glensmad said:

Alex,

Each team has to make their own decision on this, and we have made our position clear with our statement yesterday. If the PWG discussions succeed then happy days, everybody moves together. But if they don't, then we need to be in a position to be ready to do what is right for our club.

And that, I'd imagine, would be the case for the majority of West Region clubs. 

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The insurances provided by the eos cover far more than the insurance given by the sjfa. The league fees are minimal. The bond will be given back in stages, it isnt a charge or levy.

 

Scaremongering at it's best.

 

Again. Saddens me to say but the wrsjfa approach is getting clearer and clearer by the day, post by post.

 

 

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As the West Region General Meeting originally planned for Tuesday 24 March has been cancelled due to the current coronavirus situation arrangements have been made for all Member Clubs to receive feedback from Monday's PWG Meeting later this year n Tuesday.

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32 minutes ago, Lowland team said:

Needing to check this.iv'e just been informed that in the Scottish junior cup

Clubs need to pay their opponents a fee if they travel to games to cover the cost and then split the game money. Surely that would mean both clubs could be out of pocket.

There is a minimum guarantee you pay the visiting team based on a mileage scale. 

They get the guarantee if their share of the split gate (after ref costs) is less than the guarantee. One or the other. 

 

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Teams that may not get in - there will be no cherry-picking by the LL-run WoSFA. This has been debunked several times already. This is nothing but scaremongering and outright lying by the WRJFA to serve it's own interests.
 
£500 upfront fee - this is the first I've heard of this. Some evidence would be nice.

It includes a bond to be paid back over three years in sure
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52 minutes ago, Lowland team said:

Do clubs loose money over all.either one or both.

Depends on the mix of distance and attendance. If we drew say Lochgelly Albert in the cup, being 66 miles away we'd get a guarantee of £120.  So Lochgelly can only make any money after taking in £120 (for us) and £50 (for the ref).  So if the gate was £200 in total, Lochgelly make £30.  If the gate was £160, Lochgelly lose a tenner.

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10 minutes ago, sctv said:


It includes a bond to be paid back over three years in sure

Correct, the £500 fee is the bond which will be fully repaid, and it includes the first season's league fees.

So basically there will be no league fees for season 1 as you will get the full £500 back as long as you fulfill all of your fixtures for three seasons.

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9 minutes ago, Brig O'Lea said:

Depends on the mix of distance and attendance. If we drew say Lochgelly Albert in the cup, being 66 miles away we'd get a guarantee of £120.  So Lochgelly can only make any money after taking in £120 (for us) and £50 (for the ref).  So if the gate was £200 in total, Lochgelly make £30.  If the gate was £160, Lochgelly lose a tenner.

Even at that you would loose money if you have a bus or expenses for car travel.did they not think about regional ties.before a all in approach.it could cost more than you could make if you got knocked out at the 1st round.

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