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Junior football, what is the future?


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2 hours ago, Jack Burton said:

Think the government has more pressing concerns than restructuring Scottish football plus it has nothing to do with the government anyway.

Think of all the club's that will go bust. Clyde can have their pick if grounds to relocate to.

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On 17/03/2020 at 12:42, Dev said:

On the one hand you are directly implying that the clubs which stayed in the East Region Juniors' leagues, (such as the 22 south of Tay Bridge Juniors which are in the EoS area) are smaller and weaker and would not survive! Then you say that "Nobody's going to stay in a WRSJFA" so any current west Juniors choosing to stay in the WRSJFA leagues are as bad as Tayport, Scone Thistle, Whitburn, Armadale, Bathgate, Livingston, Fauldhouse, West Calder, Pumpherston, Harthill, Stoneyburn, etc. 

They have responsibilities to themselves first of all and to their futures. They will make up their own minds. It isn't for the SJFA or any of the Junior Regions to dictate to these clubs.

What is it that makes you have such disregard for  current Junior clubs which have chosen to stick with the Juniors and may yet stay in the Junior Leagues for next season?

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3 hours ago, mick90 said:

Actually ... re-structure isn`t out of the question ( given that the season cannot be finished and legal action is threatened) so the best option is to have promotions only ... Premier goes up to 14 ... other divisions go up to 14, or more if they let clubs up from Lowland ( which they should be demanding right now ... where are their balls ?) . Instead of everyone dancing to the sad old tune of SFA-SPFL ( now including Highland, Lowland, EoS and South) .. maybe they should be asking the government to intervene and give us a REAL system for a change. But where are their balls and their brains ?

 

Do you HONESTLY think that the non old firm SPL teams are going to let in another 2 to join them at the trough?

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59 minutes ago, surely not! said:

There are plans being discussed to potentially expand below the prem- each of the leagues being 12 teams so 6 new clubs joining.

Its not enough, playing the same teams over and over makes Scottish league footall stale.Two leagues of 18 playing home and away, 3 promoted/relegated and 4th bottom/top play off, then lowland and highland at teir 3 also extended to 18 teams.

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On 17/03/2020 at 15:08, FairWeatherFan said:

Lowland: Scottish Cup, SCC, LL cup (+some other regional cups depending on members. Qualifying Cup, Southern Counties, Fife FA. Also top 4 compete in SPFL Challenge Cup and League champion/relegated Club 42 enter SPFL League Cup)

EoS: Scottish Cup for licence holders/Alex Jack Cup for unlicenced, SCC, Qualifying Cup (some qualify to the City Cup), League Cup, non-Premier  teams in the King Cup. (+ for some Fife Cup.

SoS: Scottish Cup for licence holders/ Alba Cup for unlicenced. SCC, Southern Counties, League Cup, then there's Potts, Tweedie & Cree lodge cups but aren't contested every year necessarily.

Highland: Scottish Cup, League Cup then the North of Scotland Cup for those North of Scotland and the Aberdeenshire Cup & Aberdeenshire Shield for those in the Grampian area.

Far too many cups !

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On 17/03/2020 at 20:39, cmontheloknow said:

I feel Pete Smyth's valediction worth sharing (from fb)

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Wtf....

That starts off reasonably before rapidly descending into a chaotic ramble.

Moral of the story is 'Keep aff social meeja when stoned out of your tree'.

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51 minutes ago, Duraglit shareholder said:

Its not enough, playing the same teams over and over makes Scottish league footall stale.Two leagues of 18 playing home and away, 3 promoted/relegated and 4th bottom/top play off, then lowland and highland at teir 3 also extended to 18 teams.

18 too big IMHO, too many teams floating around in the middle of leagues ,14 or16 the ideal size.

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14 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

Wtf....

That starts of reasonably before rapidly descending into a chaotic ramble.

In amongst some of the paranoid rantings I actually think he makes some good points.

Altho I'd regionlise it at T3.

Good opportunity now to wipe the slate with the whole thing now tho.

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13 hours ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

On a lighter note, once all these West region pyramid shenanigans are finally sorted out, we should all have a party.

BYOB of course.

Bring your own bog roll.

I'll throw a party here in Lochee when Tayside is sorted out as well.

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3 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

In amongst some of the paranoid rantings I actually think he makes some good points.

Altho I'd regionlise it at T3.

Good opportunity now to wipe the slate with the whole thing now tho.

Aye,like I said there's a few reasonable points, but its hard to focus on them in among the ramblings about other stuff.

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Arthurlie statement:

https://www.arthurliefc.co.uk/item.php?pg=news&pd=1002&it=33

SUBJECT: Formation of New League for Season 2020-2021 as part of Proposed Pyramid Structure. 

Members of Arthurlie F.C. Executive Committee attended meetings at Hampden Park on Tuesday 10th March 2020 & Thursday 12th March 2020 to listen to proposals from the separate parties relating to the formation of a new West of Scotland League as part of the Pyramid system.

The meeting convened on Tuesday 10th March was organised by Gordon Ronney, a member of the West of Scotland Junior F.A. Committee.

Gordon outlined a plan to be submitted to The Pyramid Working Group (PWG) which would involve all West of Scotland Junior Clubs joining the new league as part of the Pyramid System but retaining their Junior Status.

Previous meetings with the East of Scotland League (EOSL), Lowland League (LL),

South of Scotland League (SOSL) and West Junior FA overseen by Rod Petrie of the Scottish Football Association (SFA) had constantly “hit the buffers” with no semblance of agreement being reached.

From an initial total of 6 separate proposals the members present unanimously voted that proposal 4 which suited all the Clubs present would be the one submitted on behalf of the West League Clubs for discussion by the PWG at their meeting on the afternoon of Thursday 12th March @ 3pm.

This was an afternoon meeting organised to precede the meeting organised by LL, SOSL, and EOSL for West League Clubs to attend in the evening of 12th March. This meeting duly went ahead at 7pm with a healthy attendance by West League Clubs.

Mr George Fraser of EOSL conducted proceedings and along with representatives of LL, and SOSL faced a number of questions from those attending.

It was apparent from the answers given by these representatives at the top table that agreement had not yet been reached on the West League’s proposal but that a further meeting of the PWG had been scheduled for Monday 23rd March with the hope that some sort of deal, that would be agreeable to all parties, could be thrashed out in order that the initial proposed deadline date of 31st March when Clubs are to register as part of the Pyramid System could be met.

What was evident from both meetings attended by West League Clubs was that:

  • Most clubs are interested in being involved in the New Pyramid venture
  • A number of Clubs fear being left behind and allowed to die if they do not meet the relevant entrance criteria.
  • There is a suspicion amongst the West League Clubs that a “cherry picking” system would come into play to form a West of Scotland League (WOSL) and the smaller Clubs would be left behind. The West League Junior Proposal would not allow this to happen to any Club

Arthurlie, like most Junior Clubs are governed by their Club Constitution and have in accordance with this arranged to hold an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) with the Club’s Season ticket holders on Wednesday 25th March in order to submit, discuss and agree any proposal / proposals  put forward by the PWG following their meeting of Monday 23rd March.

The Club President has been in constant dialogue with Mr Ronney and from the information received the plan going forward is for the PWG to meet on Monday 23rd March and agree a proposal which would be acceptable to the SFA and all the relevant governing bodies who would oversee the plan with the view to presenting the proposal / proposals to all West League Clubs on Tuesday 24th March.

This would allow the proposal / proposals to be discussed by Arthurlie F.C. Season ticket holders at the EGM on Wednesday 25th March.

However due to the current Corona Virus Crisis the meeting at Hampden for all West League Clubs to attend on Tuesday 24th March has been postponed with no alternative date yet given.

If agreement is reached by the PWG at their meeting on Monday 23rd March the proposals may be made available on line which would then allow all Clubs to discuss the relevant points internally.

It does seem that trying to get an agreement agreed and through by 31st March is probably not a viable prospect.

Should the scheduled EGM on Wednesday 25th March be postponed this information will be posted on Social Media and Arthurlie F.C official website before Tuesday in an effort to try and contact Season Ticket holders to inform them of the postponement.

 

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